Labour Party a "Government in Waiting" - JC

[WHL]

Ive never voted Labour, but im seriously thinking of voting for them, they cant be any worse then the Muppet's, that are currently in power?

[Jimgward]

The UK government will not rock the boat too strongly, they now need US trade and support more than ever.

Also, 16,500 people are employed in Britain, by Boeing and it’s interests....

Methinks NI may be thrown under a bus, before jobs on the mainland are affected.

Especially since the EU are now proposing that NI remain part of the single market, with border controls on the Mainland, rather than within Ireland. This is not May’s policy and will seriously piss off the DUP, but I can see it’s sense....

[Royal]

...the EU are now proposing that NI remain part of the single market, with border controls on the Mainland, rather than within Ireland. This is not May’s policy and will seriously piss off the DUP, but I can see it’s sense....

I haven't seen this anywhere as a proposal. Do you have a link to where this has been said?

[Royal]

A proposal from Labours Owen Smith, another Labour lunatic....

Ah! Now that's fundamentally different from what had been claimed - that it was an EU proposal. Such things are well beyond the remit of the Federalist EU to discuss. We are the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The fact that Owen Smith has raised it as an issue doesn't surprise me one bit. Tony Blair gave away (for absolutely nothing in return) a substantial amount of the rebate which Margaret Thatcher had previously negotiated. It would not surprise me if Labour similarly proposed to 'give away' Northern Ireland.

[WHL]

Ive never voted Labour, but im seriously thinking of voting for them, they cant be any worse then the Muppet's, that are currently in power?

Seriously? After their display at the Labour Convention I think they have condemned themselves to a perpatuatie of opposition. It is no longer a party it is a cult centred around quite frankly, a mad man supported by sycophants...a lot is made of the "youth" vote, well I suspect their ideals will not survive first contact when presented with reality, and the Eutopia promised by Corbyn will fade in to lustre.

You make no mention of the Muppets who are curently in power?

[exodus]

Actually, considering the pressures of BREXIT, which was..( and remains) always going to be divisive, I actually think the Government are holding their own...you may chuckle but if Labour was in power they would have torn themselves apart completely by now, instead their aim is to bring about the collapse of the Government by any means...instead of supporting the countries wishes....the EU is being as obstructive and downright nasty as possible, the press insist on making the news instead of reporting it, putting additional pressure on the Governmemt. There may be infighting within the Cabinet, but at least they are being honest, unlike labour who just pretend at being united when they have only achieved that "unity" through a programme of intimidation and fear.....yes the currant Government could do better...but the alternative? No thank you...

Good post!
Amos.

[Jimgward]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 72596.html

Brexit: European Parliament to propose Northern Ireland stays in single market
Exclusive: The move, which would involve customs checks taking place at ports on the Irish sea, has the support of all major political groups

Jon Stone Brussels @joncstone Friday 29 September 2017 12:29 BST1864 comments

The European Parliament is to call for Northern Ireland to stay in the single market and customs union in order to protect the integrity of the EU’s borders.

MEPs have concluded it is the best solution to the problem of ensuring there is no border in Ireland. The move has the support of all major political groups.

It would mean continued free movement on the island of Ireland, with customs checks instead taking place at ports on the Irish sea for visitors travelling between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The resolution, set to be voted on hours before Theresa May’s make-or-break Tory conference speech, rubbishes Britain’s existing proposals on the issue and is set to enrage DUP MPs propping up Ms May’s Government.

Only yesterday the EU’s chief negotiator Michel Barnier said not enough progress had been made on Europe’s key objectives – the financial settlement, EU citizens and Ireland – for the discussions to move on to the future trade deal the UK wants.

Both the UK and EU believe there should be no “hardening” of the border with the Republic, which is currently not policed – but disagree on how to do this while Ireland remains inside the EU’s borders and the UK leaves them.

The Independent understands that European Parliament chiefs believe shifting border posts to Irish sea ports is the optimal solution. One source said the EU’s physical border had to be somewhere and could not just have a gaping hole in it.

The resolution rubbishes Britain’s proposals for an infrastructureless NI border based on spot checks and says that the UK plan for a lack of physical infrastructure “presumes that the United Kingdom stays in the internal market and customs union or that Northern Ireland stays in some form in the internal market and customs union”. The PM has ruled out keeping the UK as a whole in the customs union or single market.

At a press conference in Brussels today the European Commission’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said the resolution was “important”, mentioning it alongside next month’s European Council meeting as one of the hurdles the UK would have to clear before it could progress to the next stage of talks.

The wide-ranging resolution, which covers the whole Brexit process so far, says the European Parliament “believes that it is the responsibility of the UK Government to provide a unique, effective and workable solution that prevents a “hardening’ of the border, ensures full compliance with the Good Friday Agreement in all its parts, is in line with European Union law and fully ensures the integrity of the internal market and customs union”.

The European Parliament is not involved in day-to-day negotiations with the UK but has a final veto on the ultimate Brexit deal which is agreed. The body’s Brexit steering group also meets regularly with Mr Barnier.

[Royal]

Thanks jimgward.

I believe that the European Parliament needs to keep its' Fedaralist nose out of what is exclusively UK business - especially as far as NI is concerned. If this were to be agreed (and I am pretty certain that it's a non-starter) then what's to stop Scotland insisting on the same deal, or Gibraltar, or the SBAs in Cyprus?

We are a sovereign nation and that includes all of our constituent parts - which includes Northern Ireland. I know what the reaction would be if we started pontificating about what Spain should do about Catalonia or 'French' Guiana etc.

This subject is beyond the remit and far above the paygrade of the EU Parliament.

[WHL]

If the EU get their way, it seems to me that its basically the reunification of Ireland, by another name.

[ApusApus]

If they get their way it might be but I very much doubt it will happen as it will open up a huge can of worms for other member states like France & Spain for starters, as Royal has already indicated! The Spanish "scenario" seems to be boiling up quite nicely to test the Eurocrats' resolve at the moment!


Shane

[Jimgward]

As I said, this is sensible on many fronts, to make the borders as you leave Ireland for Britain, or as you enter.... however, the DUP will go nuts, undermining the Tory majority and ending Tory rule.... so, a difficult one for May.... oppose and she needs a practical solution which she doesn’t have....

[outasite]

Regarding borders between the UK and the Republic. Whenever I have flown into Ireland I have had to present myself and my passport at Irish Immigration. Returning to the UK all passengers without exception have by passed UK Immigration as the arrival has always been considered to be domestic.,
Going through Irish Immigration was and is very easy for UK originating flights.

[Dominic]

Thanks jimgward.

I believe that the European Parliament needs to keep its' Fedaralist nose out of what is exclusively UK business - especially as far as NI is concerned. If this were to be agreed (and I am pretty certain that it's a non-starter) then what's to stop Scotland insisting on the same deal, or Gibraltar, or the SBAs in Cyprus?

We are a sovereign nation and that includes all of our constituent parts - which includes Northern Ireland. I know what the reaction would be if we started pontificating about what Spain should do about Catalonia or 'French' Guiana etc.

This subject is beyond the remit and far above the paygrade of the EU Parliament.

No it isn't. They are discussing their border.

[Royal]

No it isn't. They are discussing their border.

No Dominic, they are discussing OUR border and the Eire border. These matters are for Eire and the UK to sort out. By suggesting that NI - a Sovereign part of the UK remains within the EU they are overstepping their remit (no surprises there, then). This is NOT their business.

The UK and Eire have had a Common Travel Area since 1923 - long before the EU came into existence. Both the UK and Eire also have opt out clauses from Schengen - the only countries in the EU to have such opt out clauses.

[Dominic]

Eire is part of the EU.

[Royal]

Eire is part of the EU.

Of course it is. But it is also a Sovereign country. The EU doesn't police borders. Individual countries do that...

[exodus]

Eire is part of the EU.

But N.I. won't be; as part of the UK it exits the EU in March 2019!
Amos.

[Habibi2007]

Labour or Conservatives, they all spout platitudes trying to sway the voter, some are taken in by what they say, other take it with a pinch of salt. They all offer the world. Unfortunately the truth of the matter is they offer nothing it is all lip service.
Once in power they take back everything they offered, why are people so gullible. We have had nothing but insincerity from our politicians for so long I'm surprised anyone believes anything they say anymore.
They are the all right jacks of this world. Because they are cocooned in their own world where no one can really touch them.
How many of them really understand the hardships they have caused to so many people by some of the decisions they have made.
Jeremy Corbin/Teresa May we are in a no win situation with either they are both no good for the country.
I don't know what the answer is but I feel the Uk does not have strong leadership at the moment. Theresa May is weak and ineffectual and Jeremy Corbin will just take us back to the 1970s with the Unions having absolute power. Not a good scenario.
We can shout about all of the unfairness attributed to the people in the Uk, weather it be huge University fees, changes in Universal credit, changes in the SPA for everyone, especially for women born in the 50s for which I am one of them, but that's another story.
I think certain people grasp on to the things that affect them, hence the reason for Jeremy Corbin rise in popularity.
They want someone to shout out for them to have a voice. And he latches on to that.
What has Theresa May done she says the same words over and over, Strong and Steady can she not say anything else.
Remember the speech she made about the JAMS. Just about managing, what was that all about. What has she done. Nothing
Brexit has taken over nothing else matters how can she address the needs of the country while we have this debacle going on.
Just get on with, get out of this corrupt EU and get on with the job you should be doing, helping the people of the Uk. Because they need a role model someone to look up to and unfortunately for many that has turned in to the person called Jeremy Corbin.

[Varky]

Labour or Conservatives, they all spout platitudes trying to sway the voter, some are taken in by what they say, other take it with a pinch of salt. They all offer the world. Unfortunately the truth of the matter is they offer nothing it is all lip service.
What has Theresa May done she says the same words over and over, Strong and Steady can she not say anything else.
Remember the speech she made about the JAMS. Just about managing, what was that all about. What has she done. Nothing
Brexit has taken over nothing else matters how can she address the needs of the country while we have this debacle going on.
Just get on with, get out of this corrupt EU and get on with the job you should be doing, helping the people of the Uk. Because they need a role model someone to look up to and unfortunately for many that has turned in to the person called Jeremy Corbin.

In the main I agree
Her latest announcement is that tuition fees will be frozen. Big Deal. How is that going to help the present situation for students. She is latching on to an idea from the labour party. It is apparent that the present government is bereft of ideas. The labour party are no better with populist ideas whose funding is at best weak.

I look forward to a time when the present set of establishment politicians are put out to pasture and we can get people in with a bit of vision.

[Jimgward]

The proposed situation would only be to protect movement between the EU and Britain. Essentially, they are allowing NI to benefit from being British and enjoy any/if any benefits of EU trade..... I can’t see how the border with the EU from Britain can happen any other way....