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Cogs123 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2017 10:42 pm
Rita,
With respect, I find it absolutely outrageous that you have implied in your post that those of us against foxhunting condoned the abhorrent behaviour of the activists that desecrated that poor woman's grave. how dare you, It was a despicable act,carried out by unhinged lunatics, associating us with that vile behaviour just beggars belief.
You are also wrong in your assessment of the foxhunting ban, it is still, sadly, active in Northern Ireland.
Cogs
Please read paragraph 7 of my 28th May post - I neither alleged or implied that those of you against foxhunting condoned the abhorrent behaviour of the activists..... I was pointing out that there were rogue people in all organisations and that animal activists were not all squeaky clean and gave an example. That threatening behaviour went on from 1999 to 2005/6 until some (not all) were convicted. Might I add that apart from the grave incident gthe lives of over 100 other people connected with the farm were subject to threats etc by those people and the business finally closed in 2006.
You are correct about Northern Ireland of course - my apologies. The ban would have been imposed there were it not for the creation of the National Assembly and the subject was therefore devolved to that body who rejected the bill. It is however, as I am sure you are aware, illegal to fox hunt in England, Wales & Scotland.
Norv, that was a point I made in an earlier post. Just two days ago 90 innocent men, women and children were blown to smithereens in Kabul, with a further 300 seriously injured. Didn't even rate a mention on an ex-pat forum
jagwheels wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:43 am
I may be shot down but is this thread becoming too endeared with animals welfare when to me human life seems so expendable in today's world
Threads have topics. This thread was originally about big game hunting, but has morphed into a discussion on fox hunting.
I have never understood why fox hunting is such a big issue in the UK, considering how little impact it's presence or absence has on the majority of people's lives. However, people clearly do like talking about it.
There are other threads, about all sorts of topics. And people can start up still more threads about new tragedies. There was a suicide bomb at an Ice Cream Shop in Iraq the other week, for instance. More people were killed there that in Manchester.
So why don't people post threads about that?
Simply, I think it is because of empathy. People have more empathy with the Manchester bombing, simply because it could have happened to a relative of theirs. They have less empathy with a bombing in Iraq or Afghanistan, because it is harder for them to relate to it.
I don't think it means that people don't care about what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some may well not, but anybody possessing a basic degree of humanity will care, and be appalled. But they won't have a lot to say, because they don't have the empathy.
One thing we should remember though, is that the immigrants living in the UK will have the empathy that we lack, and will be equally appalled by the attacks in Iraq as they are in Manchester.
Perhaps we need to show them a bit of empathy?
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Good post. You are correct that people in the UK empathise with their own, human nature surely. It isn't that we don't care what goes on in other parts of the world, but our own come first. I would be more inclined to empathise with immigrants living here, if they were rooting out the terrorists in their midst, but as yet they're not.
The point about big game hunting evolved into little game hunting, but that's the nature of debate. Those of us who condemn fox hunting also condemn big game hunting, it's the bloody death of an innocent animal for the pleasure of so called humans. As you say posts often go off topic, this thread has now developed into the bombings of humans, odd isn't it !
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
Can i please ask why people " some people " its ok for animal to be chased and killed ? what is going through their mind at the point of kill ? Don't you think what this poor animal is going through to be chased or dug up just to be ripped apart from the hounds ? Now if it was you pet cat or dog you would be up in arms about this. Just saying By the way the Fox will not die from just a nip from the back of the neck ? as someone suggested ? It is a nasty sport that needs to be stopped END OFF we don't need this back in the UK
I dont support any hunting or unnecessary killing of animals - or humans!
However, I always remember an old documentary where activists from the UK went to Spain to protest bull fighting. The English woman said "If this was England, the RSPCA would want to prosecute you all" A Spaniard said, "while I understand your concerns, please bear in mind, that in Spain, while we have no RSPCA, we also have no RSPCC..." - we have a fraction of the child abuse of every kind and we treat children as precious, having them with us at every family meal......
Totally agree with you, statistics don't prove anything, but everyone makes their own tale good. I cannot imagine what sort of mind gains pleasure from witnessing the bloody agonising death of an innocent animal. They obviously are too ashamed to explain to us animal lovers, just how they get a thrill from it, as not one person will.
As far as Halal meat is concerned, it's up to us to pressure the supermarkets into labelling their meat as such.
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
I would have thought concern for how the animal lived it's life would trump concern for how it was killed.
To put it another way, an intensively farmed cow will suffer a lot more in it's life than a non-intensively-farmed cow that was killed for Halal meat. Yet free range meat isn't exactly a best seller in the supermarkets.
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I think people are slowly moving toward free range, there is a lot more for sale in the supermarkets now, plus publicity over how animals are kept before slaughter has woken people up to exactly where there food comes from. Still Halal meat is slaughtered by an inhumane method.
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
What and be arrested for racism ? I doubt it. I didn't think I detailed it, but here goes, as far as I know, the animal has it's throat cut, and left to bleed to death, it seems sheep that are suspended upside down, larger animals are left standing.
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
markwoods39 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:49 pm I refuse to eat Halal meat now but thats another topic.
You would probably be surprised to discover that just about all major UK supermarkets sell Halal meat without it being labelled as such, particularly New Zealand lamb which all seems to be Halal but without it saying so on the label. Just Google - plenty to read.
To be honest i only eat Chicken these days and i buy from our local free range farm, ok a bit more expensive but the taste is so much better and fresher worth the extra pennies in my view. If anyone can find a local free range farm in the area go a try you will be surprised by the quality of the meat compared to the supermarkets.
Firefly wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:15 pmStill Halal meat is slaughtered by an inhumane method. Jackie
Given that foxes are no longer hunted by horses and hounds, I wonder whether the anti fox-hunting brigade will now direct their protests, vigils and stand-offs to the slaughter houses where this 'inhumane method' is carried out? And protest vociferously to the adherents of the religions which demand this method of killing?
I doubt it somehow
I already do ! thought you knew from a few years back on another site
Dominic I don't quite know what you mean by an intensively farmed cow! I come from a farming background and most cows I believe are treated in the same way. In England they are kept in sheds through the winter due to the climate which is not ideal but there is no other way. Believe me the farmers do not want to keep them tied up in sheds - more expensive to feed and more muck to clean. From Spring to Autumn the cows are kept loose in fields with the rest of their herd and only come indoors twice a day for mllking - not too bad an existance. Farming can be cruel and I used to hate it when newly born calves were taken from their mothers but that is the way. Now if you talk about intensively farmed birds then that is a different matter altogether and I deplore it.
It isn't the same on my computer, 'as described by Jackie' is missing from your post. Maybe Admin removed it.
Bassman
You're probably quite right, but I wouldn't bet on being allowed to 'protest vociferously to the adherents of the religions which demand this method of killing' without facing trouble of one sort or another.
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
I agree with Happy in Cyprus's posts which represent my own views.
Some of the emotive language used by some posters may indicate their lack of knowledge about the subjects that they write about.
Have some of these posters lived in the UK in the trully rural areas? Have they tried keeping poultry
Or sheep with lambs or cattle? Have they spoken to farmers and people who know about the problems that farmers face when keeping these birds or animals? Let's be fair. The countryside is not a theme park, its a working environment.
Incidentally, if she is referring to fox hunting, this stops in early spring before vixens give birth to their young. Foxes are no longer dug out of drains that was stopped years ago.
how dare you, It was a despicable act,carried out by unhinged lunatics, associating us with that vile behaviour just beggars belief.
By the way the Fox will not die from just a nip from the back of the neck ? as someone suggested ? It is a nasty sport that needs to be stopped END OFF we don't need this back in the UK
