Is Hydrogen the Answer ?

[glowred]

The biggest issue I see in this discussion is the derogatory use of the label Weatherman. Usually when a person tries to belittle an individual it is because they know that their own argument doesn't stand up

Neil

[71 Trans Am]

glowred

An interesting theory but if you had followed and believed some of the rubbish that the Weatherman has come out with over the past 10 to 15 years you would assume he was an expert on everything when in fact he can’t even get the weather right despite having a weather station – I however do not profess to be an expert on everything but I have been around and involved with Eco vehicles, Battery Technology, Solar Power, Quantum Lock Technology, And Hydrogen Combustion, Working with such companies as Volvo, Scania, Mercedes. Toyota Nissan and Tesla, And when I read the garbage and outdated information that the Weatherman spouts out I can normally give an up to date view backed up with links to the relevant improvements in such technology.

If that is the biggest issue that you can see in this discussion then you have obviously been taken in by the misinformation of the Weatherman as all of my points do stand up and can be backed up at anytime by current information and progress. I obviously hit a sore point with Dominic earlier when I said it was like “Jurassic Park”
After Mouse referenced an incident on 6th may 1937 The Hindenburg stating Hydrogen needs to be treated with respect and rightly so but technology has moved on an awful long way since 1937

So “glowred” My argument does stand up and can be backed up unlike the argument and outdated information of the Weatherman.

[Devil]

The biggest issue I see in this discussion is the derogatory use of the label Weatherman. Usually when a person tries to belittle an individual it is because they know that their own argument doesn't stand up

Neil

Thank you for the point, Neil. As far as the know-alls are concerned, where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise!

[71 Trans Am]

The Weatherman could not have made a truer statement if he tried --

"Thank you for the point, Neil. As far as the know-alls are concerned, where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise!"

[Aargent]

So the argument for Hydrogen seems to pin on relying on Big Business to put common sense and decency before profit. Nothing could possibly go wrong there then.

There is nothing wrong with making a profit. If there was no profit there would be no money for Research & Development and nothing would ever move forward.
I have no knowledge whether you make a profit from this forum but I don't doubt that you strive to do so.

[Jim B]

As with the Hydrogen argument the Weatherman is way off track on Nuclear Fusion

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science ... sion-power

As I read the article it says promising developments which is very different from solving the problem of containg fusion power.
You keep going on about the advances in technology but the basic concept of Petro-Chemical Plants hasn't changed that much over a hundred years apart from the Control Systems.
There's a world of difference in reading articles on a subject and actually being involved in the production of different chemicals. Even Green Hydrogen production is very old technology, the only difference being they use renewable energy to provide the electricity. As Devil stated it's going to be a few years before we see safe Hydrogen driven vehicles.

[71 Trans Am]

Well Jim everyone has an opinion on how far off the changes are but I see massive leaps forward everyday with the current Battery technology and the rush to perfect the Hydrogen situation is moving forward rapidly also as everyone wants to be the first to achieve perfection now that the climate change argument has come to the fore – Everyone seems to be working that much harder now in nuclear fusion also to get a result and this seems to have only speeded up within the last 12 months as most now seem to agree that fossil fuels are a thing of the past – I certainly do not think that we are talking about decades any longer the race is on now and I don’t think it will be long –
We will have to agree to disagree until it happens

[Dominic]

So the argument for Hydrogen seems to pin on relying on Big Business to put common sense and decency before profit. Nothing could possibly go wrong there then.

There is nothing wrong with making a profit. If there was no profit there would be no money for Research & Development and nothing would ever move forward.
I have no knowledge whether you make a profit from this forum but I don't doubt that you strive to do so.

I never said there was anything wrong with making a profit. Read the post properly before spluttering out nonsense.

[Aargent]

It will not be a few years before we see hydrogen powered vehicles. There are currently hydrogen powered busses running in UK Switzerland Italy Germany and Norway. There are passenger trains running in UK and Germany and a few test cars in Wales. I cannot believe that they would be doing so if safety was compromised.

[jeba]

There are already 2 hydrogen-powered cars on the (German) market: Hyundai Nexo https://suchen.mobile.de/auto/hyundai-nexo.html and Toyota Mirai https://suchen.mobile.de/auto/toyota-mirai.html. Nevertheless, Devil has a point as it makes a difference whether you have a few centralized and well monitored hydrogen storage places or a decentralized network of pipes delivering hydrogen to every home. Maybe central storage at power stations would be an option (unless you´re storing rockets and explosives next to them).

[Paphos Pete]

Certainly in the UK at least, the testing end evaluation of this planned transition has already started.

In the same way that they gradually introduced a proportion of bioethanol into vehicle fuel, and have gradually increased the proportion as more becomes known about its side-effects on vehicles, the plan is to do the same thing with Hydrogen. Starting low, they plan to introduce a proportion of hydrogen into the UK natural gas network mixed with the existing gas so that you effectively pipe this mix directly into homes.

The problem is, as Devil said, the atomic size of hydrogen means that it will escape though the tiniest of holes. So, whereas some existing pipework or appliance which may have been gas-tight with pure town gas, may have issues with the mixed gas. Part of this project is a government-driven initiative to enlist appliance manufacturers to test to make sure this doesn't become an issue. I suspect though that this may take some time before the level of confidence is sufficient that it poses little risk, knowing how these government evaluations tend to run. We shall see.

Oh, and was it only me that saw the massive irony of a member naming himself after one of the most prehistoric, backwards-engineered redneck vehicles to ever come out of Detroit, to go calling one of the forums' most learned scientific brains a dinosaur!

Pete

[Aargent]

I don't hold the DE in high regard but I look at the facts and ignore the journalistic puff.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/ ... zero-cop26

[Devil]

I don't hold the DE in high regard but I look at the facts and ignore the journalistic puff.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/ ... zero-cop26

I don't know whether the rag was serious while using the word "booming" in the headline. Maybe there is a true word spoken in jest! (I haven't read the article because I refuse to allow the popular press access.)

[Aargent]

I did say ignore the journalistic puff but I do read the Rags because sometimes there is some good facts included. After all the worlds most expensive Coffee [ the best ? ] Kopi luwak is found in the poop of Civets.

[71 Trans Am]

Paphos Pete

I never knew that Jim B was “One of the forum’s most learned scientific brain’s” – Still you learn something new everyday.

And please get your facts correct before you start spouting absolute garbage on here – The 1971 Trans Am came out of Norwood Ohio Not Detroit and was designed and built by one of the worlds greatest car designer’s John De Lorean it was also the most advanced engineered and performance Race Cars of it’s time and it was such a successful muscle car that it kept the same F Body design from 1970 to 1981 of which I have several and sold more units than any other muscle car of its type – The F body starred in several blockbuster movies including all three Smokey and the Bandit Films – So please do not try to look clever and gain brownie points when all of the facts in your statement are incorrect because you just end up looking like an IDIOT.

https://youtu.be/lNf_m55wXHY

[Paphos Pete]

Ok, so not Detroit eh; fair enough. But putting an upturned plastic kayak on cart springs and powering it with something derived from WWII is hardly modern or cutting edge is it, even for the time period? You should have a look at what the rest of the world was doing during your 1970 to 1981 time period.

[71 Trans Am]

Your starting to look like an extreme IDIOT now - Look at the facts - It was the most advanced Performance car of its time - Won everything - Designed and engineered by the greatest designer of the time - and it was made of steel not plastic - The 455 block is still used today because it was so good
opened up to 6.2 litre and fitted in all the new Camaro's - And what has the rest of the world got to do with it this is your personal vendetta against my forum name and avatar - Put your brain into gear before you let the clutch out and have a good think before you write anything else because your looking more stupid by the minute.

[Paphos Pete]

[Jim B]

Paphos Pete

I never knew that Jim B was “One of the forum’s most learned scientific brain’s” – Still you learn something new everyday.

And please get your facts correct before you start spouting absolute garbage on here – The 1971 Trans Am came out of Norwood Ohio Not Detroit and was designed and built by one of the worlds greatest car designer’s John De Lorean it was also the most advanced engineered and performance Race Cars of it’s time and it was such a successful muscle car that it kept the same F Body design from 1970 to 1981 of which I have several and sold more units than any other muscle car of its type – The F body starred in several blockbuster movies including all three Smokey and the Bandit Films – So please do not try to look clever and gain brownie points when all of the facts in your statement are incorrect because you just end up looking like an IDIOT.

https://youtu.be/lNf_m55wXHY

I don't think Paphos Pete was referring to me as a "Learned Scienrific Brain" , I believe he was referring to Devil and I would agree with him.
I'm only pointing out that the " New" systems for Hydrogen production your glowing about have been around for years just like the engine block for the Trans-Am..
I worked in Petro-Cemical in both maintenance and construction since 1968 till retiring a couple of years ago and feel I have some experience on how they work.

[WHL]

Nothing to do with Hydrogen, But I had a 1968 Pontiac firebird convertible back in the day, best bird puller I ever had.