A Festering Wound In Labour's Side!

[ApusApus]

This doesn't look like it's ever going to finish any time soon!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-sc ... s-45200674


Shane

[June]

I wish I could get to grips with this.
I'm probably stupid/naïve but my reading of all this is that Corbyn (whom I have little time for normally) supports anti-Semitism but is not happy to include the present Israeli government in this?
If that's the case then for once I'm with Corbyn
Am I reading it wrong?

[Jimgward]

Even prominent Jews worldwide are amazed by this ruling that criticism of Israel, is anti-Semitic. Nonsense.

[Firefly]

Well he has previous hasn't he, as I see it, the Labour party would be better of without him as it's leader. He's very much a loose cannon, and has some very nasty 'friends'.

Jackie

[tonee]

He was pictured at the "Martyrs" graveyard in Tunisia showing respect and praying to the PLO terrorists who butchered the Israeli athletes at the Olympics,the wreath was laid on the PLO leaders grave.This is the man who invited Gerry Adams into parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.His sympathy for terrorists is coming back to bite him in the rear.

[ApusApus]

I don't think this latest statement will silence his critics somehow!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45301548


Shane

[Varky]

Would JC have known that those were graves of the Munich terrorists if the inscriptions were in Arabic? In his own words later he states "'wreaths were laid at the graves of those who died on that day' — meaning an Israeli attack on the PLO headquarters in Tunis in 1985 — 'and on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991'." as written in the DM article. Just asking.

[ApusApus]

Surely if the inscriptions were in Arabic then you would have someone along side who could translate for you, especially in view of your position and political status?


Shane

[Jimgward]

Even prominent Jews worldwide are amazed by this ruling that criticism of Israel, is anti-Semitic. Nonsense.

Jim we had an exchange a while ago about an individual in N Ireland regarding sympathy for terrorists. In view of the now near constant reports on Mr Corbyn, I wondered if you have concerns. I am not talking about definitions but the general conduct of JC and his standing in his party and outside regarding antisemitism and his apparent direct or indirect support for terrorists or their organisations past or present.

I have no respect for Corbyn as a leader nor his political leanings towards terrorists. I do not, however, believe he is anti-Semitic, or racist. I do believe there is a media-driven targeting of anyone prepared to criticise Israel or support a Palestinian view. All Palestinians are not terrorists, neither are all Israelis trying to drive all Palestinians from their land, however all their leaderships are corrupt and abhorrent.

[Varky]

He is a senior politician...if he didn't do some homework...then I am afraid he is not fit to lead...anything...

Same could have been said about Tony Blair before taking us into Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Varky]

I think we all know about the somewhat discredited "evidence" in regard to some of the reasons why coalition forces invaded Iraq in 2003....but Afganistan? please enlighten me Varky...

No, you tell us the justification for going into Afghanistan and we can all judge whether it was based upon genuine evidence!

[Varky]

Come on Varky...stand by your views...please,tell...Afgan and Iraq were different...do you even know when we went into Afgan...I will give you a clue a couple of,years before Iraq...and the reasons why? Oh come on I am sure you can guess......

No, give me a clue. I want to hear it from your lips. You are the one casting doubt on my posting, so you have to justify your criticism.

[Jimgward]

Here’s some reasons we went into Afghanistan for us to pick from;

1) Russia tried and failed to beat them (partly as we were army the other side and training them) so we might as well try...
2) We always wanted to go in there after the defeat at the Khyber pass in history
3) It’s a great route for an oil pipeline
4) Osama Bin Ladin was holed up there
5) Afetr 911, even though the Saudis were involved, lets blame Afghanistan
6)There’s load of money from the drugs market
7) We object to women wearing Bhurkas
8) Controlling Afghanistan gave a perfect South-Eastern border towards Russia
9) They must be worn out after the Russians, lets invade to increase our empire
10) .... you can add you’re own now...

[Varky]

For pity's sake...just use your friend Google....

So you, the font of all knowledge, doesn't know? Admit it! So quick to criticise and to pour scorn on others and in the end has feet of clay!

[Firefly]

Jim

You forgot to mention that the USA wanted Britain to 'assist' in it's invasion. Bush said jump and Blair said how high, the rest as they say is history.

Jackie

[Firefly]

Hudswell

Yes I have read wiki on the Afghan war, but in view of the fact that it all started with 9/11, and TB giving his full support to the US invasion, as he would, I think we can read between the lines. TB provided all sorts of excuses/reasons for British troops to be involved in the invasion of Afghanistan, but basically I think it was more about TB making himself popular in the USA and with Bush.

Jackie

[Firefly]

Granville

You may be right, but we're all entitled to our views.

My Son was also deployed in both invasions, so I do not consider that to be any small thing believe me, but his own sister travelled 250 miles to take part in the London march against the Iraq war. There was a lot of anti war and anti Blair feeling at that time. Of course my Son will probably think as you do, but Blair has a lot to answer for, seeing your Son entering a war zone is very worrying for a mother, but as he says, 'it's my job'.

The Islamic threat also came close to me, as two of my Granddaughters attended that Manchester concert, thank God they were unharmed. However it shows that non of us are safe, even children.

I do hope that the sacrifice made by our troops will have been worthwhile, as yet, I'm not convinced. Sorry if it's off topic.

Jackie

[Jimgward]

Jackie

Very worrying tome for you.... and I feel for you.

I too am unconvinced that invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria has done nothing other than breed terrorism and our support of Saudi, the child funder of Daesh and other terroirst groups shows up the sham that these invasions were.

[Varky]

It's not off topic Jackie...Corbyn actively supports these terrorists...he has to go...he is a liability to his party...and more importantly his country...and your boys did good...many may be unconvinced..but because of people like your sons...they continue to allow to be.

No he doesn't. Just because he supports the Palestinian people or other similar oppressed people in general doesn't mean he supports terrorists. He is not a sheep like you blindly following the government of the day's party line. I would respect your opinions more if they were not truly blinkered.

[Varky]

So,I am assuming you support his "support" of the PIRA in Northern Ireland..or his support of the failed socilist Government In Venezuela. No he not a sheep, he is a wolf in sheeps clothing...a dangerous..and a lying individual.and has been caught out and will go..thankfully for the country.

You do really like to jump to assumptions don't you? Putting your words into other's mouths is your strength. The sheep I was referring to was YOU.