Brexit: Vote Leave chief who created £350m NHS lie on bus admits leaving EU could be 'an error'

[OhSusana]

Brexit: Vote Leave chief who created £350m NHS lie on bus admits leaving EU could be 'an error'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 22386.html
...One of the masterminds behind the Brexit vote has performed an astonishing U-turn by admitting that leaving the EU may be “an error”.

Dominic Cummings, the Vote Leave campaign director, described the referendum as a “dumb idea” before other ideas had been tried to win back powers from Brussels. He has also warned that Brexit is shaping up to be a “guaranteed debacle”, without big changes in Whitehall to deliver a successful negotiation....

One has to laugh at some of the headlines coming out on Brexit one year on!!
"could be an error"...
I just love British understatement.

"There seems to be something wrong with our bl@@dy ships today". Beatty - Jutland.
"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress." Moody BA9.

Problem is, there are probably enough old biddies in the UK who still believe they will get 350 million a week for their hip replacement. And would vote the same way again.
As for expats, I think one or two are beginning to realise that a 20% loss of pension for the foreseeable future is a major problem.
Oh course, those on a big fat public sector pensions won't even notice the difference, and are still singing "Rule Britannia" every evening. Stiff upper lip. More austerity. Onwards and downwards.

[Varky]

I for one did not believe the £350 million would be available for the NHS. That figure was calculated misrepresentation of the actual situation. It was the amount that we give per week to the EU. It did not mention that we got approximately half that back from the EU in the form of various subsidies.

Having said all that, I would still have voted to leave if I had been eligible to vote.

[Jimgward]

It was the very worst of political manipulation - and as Varky says, the true figure was reckoned to be closer to £150m and would never have been given to the NHS, as they had no authority or remit.

What Boris, who used the bus, was ever allowed back into government, I don't know.

As to whether people would have voted the same if proper information was given, we will never know.

Brexit is happening, even though many who voted either way, could have changed their mind. However, with a weak government, it will have to be soft brexit otherwise they will never carry it off.

[geoffreys]

Whatever it gets spent on, NHS, part on NHS rest on other things, all on other things, doesn't matter a jot.
The point is we will have that money, and the EU won't have it.
Simples - whatever the figure.
Geoff.

[panoscouse]

And do you think that any of that will be seen by the ordinary working man/woman?
Not a chance.

I feel sure that the vast majority of any initial saving will be spent on ensuring the profitability of certain businesses in the private sector. This will be in anticipation of an ex tory mp/mp's becoming an executive director soon after he's/she's lost his/her seat at the next general election or after announcing retirement from parliament so as to preserve the enhancements to pension rights.

[geoffreys]

And do you think that any of that will be seen by the ordinary working man/woman?
Not a chance.

I feel sure that the vast majority of any initial saving will be spent on ensuring the profitability of certain businesses in the private sector. This will be in anticipation of an ex tory mp/mp's becoming an executive director soon after he's/she's lost his/her seat at the next general election or after announcing retirement from parliament so as to preserve the enhancements to pension rights.

Well it certainly will no longer be in the EU's pot.
It will be in the UK Govt's pot - to be spent wisely as required at the time (w.e.f. 3/19).
Geoff.

[Jimgward]

And do you think that any of that will be seen by the ordinary working man/woman?
Not a chance.

I feel sure that the vast majority of any initial saving will be spent on ensuring the profitability of certain businesses in the private sector. This will be in anticipation of an ex tory mp/mp's becoming an executive director soon after he's/she's lost his/her seat at the next general election or after announcing retirement from parliament so as to preserve the enhancements to pension rights.

Well it certainly will no longer be in the EU's pot.
It will be in the UK Govt's pot - to be spent wisely as required at the time (w.e.f. 3/19).
Geoff.

Unless, of course, we pay more to remain in single market....

[Devil]

It will be in the UK Govt's pot - to be spent wisely as required at the time (w.e.f. 3/19).
Geoff.

Which optician provides you with rose-tinted glasses?

[panoscouse]

Well it certainly will no longer be in the EU's pot.
It will be in the UK Govt's pot - to be spent wisely as required at the time (w.e.f. 3/19).
Geoff.
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It will no doubt be earmarked for a pet Govt project and spent wisely as required by a Govt minister that later becomes employed by the beneficial company concerned. Unless of course a boat house on a duck pond takes priority.

Geoff, you or I will not see a penny of it. So it matters not what pot it's in.

[panoscouse]

The money will be put into the UK economy, how hard is that to understand.

Er, it's already in the UK economy, that is until the divorce bill arrives.
If however that is returned unpaid then it will be distributed as the Govt see fit in so much as they are allowed.
Future savings yet to be made? well they have to be earned first. That's the biggie.
Now how hard is that to understand.

[Devil]

The money will be put into the UK economy, how hard is that to understand.

Very hard. Large dollops of it will certainly still go to the EU and the rest will be wasted trying to develop new markets for the dwindling exports.

[WHL]

I might be a bit thick, but country's like the USA, Japan, Australia, Canada etc etc arnt in the EU and seem to be doing OK....For me a little German with a swastika, dream was to create the European project, fast forward to today another little German is carrying on his dream..the quicker the UK leaves this corrupt cesspool the better
.

[Lofos-5]

I think you are definitely a bit more than thick w.r.t. your reference to Germany

[WHL]

I think you are definitely a bit more than thick w.r.t. your reference to Germany

So Hitler didnt dream of a unified Europe with Germany as top Dog?
hows that any different now??

[josef k]

Can I just check who on this forum has actually spoken to one of the "high-ups" in the EU? I suspect nobody at all. Bearing this in mind, it seems surprising how well informed members are on what they say and what they think. So how do you do this? Well, I guess you rely on what you are told by the British media, the same media that encouraged people to vote for Brexit and used dodgy data to support this. Hardly surprising that they rubbish the EU is it? What is more surprising is people's willingness to accept anything and everything they are told.

[Poppy]

Ha ha Joseph k so don't believe the media re the EU but certainly believe them re Theresa May and the UK stance on Brexit - rather a one sided view I would have thought?

[Firefly]

Yes that's the way the remoaners see it.

Jackie

[Jimgym]

I guess you rely on what you are told by the British media, the same media that encouraged people to vote for Brexit and used dodgy data to support this. Hardly surprising that they rubbish the EU is it? What is more surprising is people's willingness to accept anything and everything they are told.

You're forgetting Josef, many/most Brexiteers took their factfeed from those ultra reliable sources: Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. What better sources of information could they ask for

I come back after a few weeks away and see you are still posting the same drivel Lloyd. Can you back up your assertion that Brexiteers took their factfeed from Johnson and Farage? Just because you spout it, doesn't mean it's true.

[WHL]

HIC you really are starting to sound like a crying little girl, according to you,the majority of people who voted out, are all simpletons who didn't know what they were voting for......what condescending clap trap.

[Jimgward]

I guess you rely on what you are told by the British media, the same media that encouraged people to vote for Brexit and used dodgy data to support this. Hardly surprising that they rubbish the EU is it? What is more surprising is people's willingness to accept anything and everything they are told.

You're forgetting Josef, many/most Brexiteers took their factfeed from those ultra reliable sources: Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. What better sources of information could they ask for

I come back after a few weeks away and see you are still posting the same drivel Lloyd. Can you back up your assertion that Brexiteers took their factfeed from Johnson and Farage? Just because you spout it, doesn't mean it's true.

I believe that most did get their views from the media, particularly broadcast, but also the Sun and Mail - the largest circulation papers.

Farage and Boris had most press time by far. The news also gave most coverage them.

Their lies defenitely influenced many.