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Breaking
PM announcement set for 18:00 BST
Boris Johnson is expected to address the nation outside No 10 at 18:00 BST, setting out the choices facing MPs.
It's probably to tell us all what "Dilyn" had for his tea
After all that.... he might as well have just told us what his new puppy had for his tea, because he didn't tell us anything we didn't already know, except to wave yet another carrot - sorry, promise of yet more money to be spent in front of the madding crowd.
Even if Blojo calls an election, due to the five year parliament term he will need a two thirds majority to vote it through.
If the opposition had any sense they would vote against it.
Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:01 am
Actually Jim, Robert Peston said on ITV's News at 10 last night that they don't even have to vote against it, they simply need to abstain. Hope they do one or the other anyway.
Two thirds have to vote for an election and the conservatives just don't have the numbers so unless Labour supports the motion it's a none starter.
Because currently the “figures” in the “polls” don’t add up and Corbyn and his associates haven’t got the Balls to take the risk, the man spins faster than a spinning top. Dangerous times, can you imagine Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Thornberry anywhere near real power? God help us.
Come on Jim, All that a Corbyn and his cronies have been “demanding” is a GE, so go for it, clear the decks and get that mandate from the people! The man and his party are simply not fit for high power, you think Brexit is disastrous, a Labour Government would simply destroy the UK.
Grenville
Of course they want a GE but not one that leaves Blojo with the opportunity of getting his no deal Brexit.
Unfortunately the government is not honourable and cannot be trusted, most of the cabinet say one thing and do another. Blojo lies through his teeth and that's the crux of the matter.
You say Corbyn is not fit for high power, what about Blojo and his band of syncphants like Raab, Patel, Gove, Javid, are they any better.
As I've said many times Corbyn isn't my cup of tea but he appearst to have more integrity than the present Cabinet put together and as for destroying the country, there's not much left to destroy.
Corbyn and integrity? You are of course making that up? And sycophants! Have you looked at the Labour shadow cabinet? I am not a fan of a no deal solution but taking the option away, ties the hands of the negotiators and gives the upper hand to the EU. What is needed in consensus, which given the state of all parties and personal ambition is never going to happen. A GE hands that power to the people to choose who is best place to take the country forward, I might not like the result but without it the current cycle of self destruction will continue.
Earlsfield wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:35 pm
Corbyn and integrity? You are of course making that up? And sycophants! Have you looked at the Labour shadow cabinet? I am not a fan of a no deal solution but taking the option away, ties the hands of the negotiators and gives the upper hand to the EU. What is needed in consensus, which given the state of all parties and personal ambition is never going to happen. A GE hands that power to the people to choose who is best place to take the country forward, I might not like the result but without it the current cycle of self destruction will continue.
You're letting your hatred of Corbyn get in the way of your objectivity.
Earlsfield wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:35 pm
Corbyn and integrity? You are of course making that up? And sycophants! Have you looked at the Labour shadow cabinet? I am not a fan of a no deal solution but taking the option away, ties the hands of the negotiators and gives the upper hand to the EU. What is needed in consensus, which given the state of all parties and personal ambition is never going to happen. A GE hands that power to the people to choose who is best place to take the country forward, I might not like the result but without it the current cycle of self destruction will continue.
You're letting your hatred of Corbyn get in the way of your objectivity.
Jim
Where I stated I hate Corbyn, I don’t think I have ever hated anyone in my life. Corbyn has put his credentials on the table, do you think he is suitable to lead this country, to be trusted with its economics, it’s security, it’s well being? I don’t, and I trust his associates even less. I don’t believe Corbyn has the mental capacity, intelligence or experience to lead and even more worrying is his dependence on the likes of McDonnell and Abbott, a truly unholy trinity who would ruin the country.
The right wing media you read has instilled that hatred into you by doing a character assassination on him. He has done nothing different in communicating with unsavoury groups as did Thatcher and Major but that's ok because they're Tories and he's a Socialist. He campaigned against the Gulf War, Iraq and countless other wars that we got drawn into and he was one of the main drivers in the Good Friday Agreement; yes, he does have integrity and stands up for what he believes in unlike the two faced lying self serving lot you support who don't have a principle between the lot of them.
Dianne Abbot, another victim of character assassination by the right wing press. She's so stupid she won a scholarship to Cambridge I believe. Read up on her and you'll realise she's not as thick as certain media outlets would have you believe. There's two sides to every coin.
Corbyn is a traitor to the UK, he has close connections with terrorists and even calls them his friends.
He isn't trustworthy, nor loyal to the Country or the Crown. Things are bad enough with Tory rebels and turncoats, all out for themselves, not representing their constituents and carrying out their wishes, without a person like Corbyn as P.M. God help us.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
Jim,
You are right, there are two sides to every coin and I think you have been as seduced by the left wing media as you accuse others of being influenced by the right. No one has instilled any sense of hatred into me but your words are truly indicative of the views of organisations such as momentum, which you seem to have swallowed hook line and sinker, I am especially interested in where Mr Corbyn was seen as one of the main drivers of the Good Friday Agreement? Yes he stands up for what he believes, it is just unfortunate I suppose that those beliefs are incompatible with British society as a whole.
And whilst I believe Ms Abbott got a scholarship to her Girls Grammar school where apparently she did quite well she received a low 2:2 at Newnham College at Cambridge. Sorry she is far from the sharpest knife in the drawer as demonstrated by her grasp of finances and her appreciation of Chairman Mao and his achievements, and countless other “gaffs” when put in the front line.
Grenville
I haven't been seduced by anyone, I've been disgusted by the lies and antics of the Tory Party since Cameron took office.
You see, you believe everyone who disagrees with your political views is either a Socialist or even worse, a Communist but most are just middle of the road and have objective views.
To my mind you're quite happy to have two faced liars with no principles or integrity in power as long as they are of the same political persuasion rather than a Socialist government wereas I'd be quite happy to have a Tory government in power as long as it was honest and principled.
This whole debacle was never about saving the country, it was all about saving the Tory Party and always has been. Us Remainers are called Collaborators and Traitors but we are putting our country first unlike many Brexiters who are quite happy to gamble on the destruction of our country.
Now you see, I class myself right of centre and I consider the far left as dangerous and radicalised as the far right, and yes I would be extremely unhappy with a socialist government because they would do as they have always done, bring ruin on the country. And with the current leadership of the Labour Party I fear it would never recover. I wouldn’t class those that voted to remain as Collaborators or Traitors, obstructive yes, and they have contributed directly to the failure of talks to date. Our negotiations have failed because it has been clear to the EU technocrats that whilst there is dissent amongst our parliamentarians they hold the upper hand and the consequences of a No Deal, which could potentially hurt the EU as much as the UK are off the table. The current debacle in Parliament has been brought about by party politics and nothing to do with delivering an ordered Brexit, because the UK will leave the EU, it has been brought about by those that voted remain, agreed to trigger Article 50 and have now been given an opportunity to renege on that promise. Boris may have got a lot of things wrong in the past, but giving the opportunity to allow the Brexit Negotiation team to do its job without having its powers curtailed and advantage handed to the EU is absolutely right. And my name is not Grenville. Oh and still interested as to where your “Saint” like picture of Mr Corbyn stems from, because even his own party, those that are allowed to anyway, question his “contribution” to peace in Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement.
Jeremy Corbyn cares not a jot for the public's concerns. His machinations during this turbulent period are aimed solely to get him and his labour party elected into government. If the country is idiotic ennough to vote this despicable little man into No 10, his boss John McDonnell - a zealous follower of a political creed that has 1....caused the deaths of millions and 2...has achieved office only by the use of by extreme violence - will oust him, and begin to run the UK as per the hidden manifest of his bosses, the McCluskeys of this world. All backed by intimidation, bullying and violence by the party's SS, or momentum as they call themselves. And freedom will disappear in our country.
And the UK will look upon Venezuela with envy.
Another person letting his hatred of Corbyn affect his opinion which I wonder if it was formed by first hand knowledge or what he read in the right wing press?
I didn't know John MacDonald was a member of the right wing Nazi Party; oh wait a minute.
It appears you're all quite happy to have a Prime Minister who's been sacked several times for lying and has also been reprimanded for fiddling expenses. You're happy to have a Home Secretary who was sacked by the previous PM for making secret deals with Israel without the knowledge of the Government. You're happy to have an Education Minister who was sacked for leaking State Secrets and you're happy to have a Chancellor of the Exchequer who was a key player for some of the worst excesses in the Deutches Banking Scandel but you will not countenance a "Socialist" Prime Minister.
Strange ethics you all have.
