No deal Brexit - UK expat pensioners could be chucked under the bus?

[jeba]

I am firm advocate of controlled immigration, be it from the EU or elsewhere...Schengan is a mistake...as is free movement...sorry...but we have to regain control...

Do you agree that even if Schengen was a mistake it´s hardly a reason for Brexit - given that the UK isn´t even part of it?
Why would free movement be a problem if you enforced the limitations it´s subject to? Remember, it´s only for 3 months unless you can prove that you can sustain yourself? How will Brexit change short term stays? Would you advocate for banning tourism?

Jeba, there is more than Immigration to BREXIT, it is about regaining our freedoms, our ability to trade and survive as an independent country rather than part of an amorphous mass that strips away our sovereignty and dictates how we carry on as individuals rather than a "citizen" of a state that we don't actually want to be part of...as Dominic has put it...it's not in our DNA....a Federal state is not something the UK wants to be part of...

That may all be good and well (that´s open to discussion I think), but still Brexiteers shouldn´t use problems the EU isn´t responsible for as reasons for Brexit.

[jeba]

Jim,my son in laws brother came over form Brazil for a 6 Week stay in the UK with my daughter and SIL, he was refused entry despite having proof of a place to stay and funding...could you do that to a EU citizen? No you couldn't...we have little or no control over EU immigration into the UK..

You make it sound as if banning tourists from entering was a good thing. Ask your tourism industry what they think of it. Apart from that - what does a short term visit have to do with immigration? That´s two completely different things.

[jeba]

Jeba, he was stopped by customs who did not believe that he as entering the uk for a short visit with his brother...instead their belief was he wanted to enter the country and stay..that has every thing to do with immigration..and illegal immigration...

Are you advocating that the mere belief that someone wants to overstay their visa should be enough reason to ban them from entering?

Apart from that: Even if someone immigrated illegally there are ways to make illegal immigration too troublesome to be an attractive option. I doubt this has to be a major problem within the EU. As the examples of other countries show it is possible to control it. Making it mandatory to have an ID would be a good start. E. g. Germany requires everyone above the age of 16 to have an ID and to register their adress (providing confirmation by your landlord in the process). If police checks on you you have to identify yourself with either an ID card or a passport. If you don´t have either with you they can arrest you until your identity is confirmed. Just to give one example of how life can be made difficult for illegal immigrants. I mentioned other ways before like checks at the workplace.

[Dominic]

Jim,my son in laws brother came over form Brazil for a 6 Week stay in the UK with my daughter and SIL, he was refused entry despite having proof of a place to stay and funding...could you do that to a EU citizen? No you couldn't...we have little or no control over EU immigration into the UK..

Can't believe you are trying to put a positive spin on your son-in-laws' brother's treatment.

[Dominic]

Dominic...are you really that dim?

One more comment like that sunshine, and you are out of here.

[Jim B]

Hudswell
In the past we've been refused visas by the UK for my wife after paying several hundred euro's for the privilege as have some of our friends but I don't blame the EU for something that has nothing whatsoever to do with them. Most EU citizens who have come to the UK to work have every intention of eventually returning to their home countries ( I've worked with many of them and this is what they've told me) I can't see what your problem is with that; I did exactly the same after spending alot of my working life in the Middle East.

Jim

[jeba]

And there lies the rub Jeba...the UK doesn't insist on ID cards...it is perhaps a more liberal state than some...

Maybe introducing them (or taking alternative measures if they serve the same purpose) would be a less drastic (and less harmful) and more effective way of fighting illegal immigration than Brexit? Isn´t Brexit a way of solving the problem tantamount to throwing out the baby with the bathwater? Btw I can´t see why introduction of ID cards would be illiberal (it´s more convenient than having to carry a passport anyway, plus it´s much cheaper, too). If you are worried about the UK losing liberality you could restrict that requirement to foreigners.

You haven´t answered my question: Are you advocating that the mere belief that someone wants to overstay their visa should be enough reason to ban them from entering?

[Jimgym]

It must be very lonely now being Hudswell. Most Brexiteers have now retired backstage knowing the game is up and that the day of execution is almost upon them.

Hudswell meanwhile goes round and round in circles like a dog chasing it's tail, trying to defend the indefensible.

Mark my words, in the run up to Britain's exit from the EU next March, Brexiteers will blame all and sundry for the mess that the country will find itself in. It'll be a case of "Not me, guv, not Farage or Boris, it was those nasty foreigners wot caused this mess".

No Lloyd, most Brexiteers have not retired backstage, we have said all we need to, and as the saying goes, the empty vessel makes the most noise, as you prove time and again. Now I for one am getting heartily sick of your constant jibes about Brexiteers being quiet, I for one wish you would practice it a bit more instead of putting childish digs on here constantly.

[Firefly]

Jimgym

Well said, you have put it in a nutshell.

Personally I agree with most of what Hudswell has said, but I am sick of the doom and gloom merchants who will just not let it go, some still persisting in throwing out jibes and insults to us, why they are permitted to do it I know not. These posters fail to realise that we Brexiteers who do not respond to their goading now, have risen above their level.

Jackie

[OhSusana]

Jimgym

Well said, ...
Jackie

What did he say? Absolutely nothing! He just bitches.
I suggested over a year ago that he start a thread about the benefits of Brexit - write something positive for once - but he just produces his bitchy one-liners.

Why not write about all the great benefits of Brexit for us Jackie?
Where is the great news Jackie?
But then -
haven't you moved back to the UK anyway?
So what precisely are you doing writing on a thread about expat pensioners - especially when you yourself had a go at Jeba for writing about Brexit - I believed you used the line "what has it got to do with you?" (Jeba being German, I believe.)

You don't have to cope with likely pension problems, a fall in the exchange rate, and neither does Hudswell on his big fat public sector pension.
I suppose you can wave your Union Jack in Hereford, and dream of the Empire. LOL.

[Jimgym]

Jimgym

Well said, you have put it in a nutshell.

Personally I agree with most of what Hudswell has said, but I am sick of the doom and gloom merchants who will just not let it go, some still persisting in throwing out jibes and insults to us, why they are permitted to do it I know not. These posters fail to realise that we Brexiteers who do not respond to their goading now, have risen above their level.

Jackie

Thank you Jackie. As to the other poster, best ignored I find. Responding to it merely encourages more unpleasant behaviour.

[OhSusana]

"Responding to it....".

OOOOOooooooooo…. !!!!!!!!!
Now that's not nice Jimgym. Rather "unpleasant", I might say!

[jeba]

I have no idea about the UK pension system as it doesn´t affect me but I thought this thread opened by a financial advisor I came across in a forum for English speakers in Germany might be of interest to some here as well: https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/to ... nt-3689413. If my understanding is correct there seem to be ways to avoid possible undesirable effects of Brexit on your pension.