The Brexit Special

[Jimgward]

Well. Apparently the text of a deal has been agreed by both sides. Now for tomorrow’s cabinet explosion.

[Jim B]

Don't worry Jon, we could all be Remainers the way things are going.

[Jimgward]

Brexit deal: EU says it ‘will retain all control’ under Theresa May’s agreement, leaked note shows
Brussels believes UK will also have to 'swallow' compromises for access to EU markets

This is from latest Independent newspaper headline....

Enough to rearm the brexit supporters in May’s cabinet - so no deal will be signed off today.... it’s heading for the precipice....

[Jimgward]

There are similar figures for the following two years and guess who is still bottom!

[Jim B]

This article from the New Yorker IMHO really lays out the position on Brexit.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-colu ... n-in-tears

Jim

[Jimgward]

I have said before, that right-wing media has perpetrated the “bad EU” myth. Made up stories and has Britain always referrring to the EU as “them” rather than “us” - never wanting people to really feel a part of it - some examples;

Rebuked here - https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/eu ... a-z-index/

Euromyths A-Z index
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A-Z Index of Euromyths 1992 to 2017

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Abattoirs – EC hygiene rules force closure of abattoirs, Nov 1992

Abattoirs – Local meat products under threat from new EC Health Directives, Jan 1993

Acres – Acres are outlawed by Brussels, Jul 2008

Acrobats, Africa – EU funding for African acrobats and trapeze artists, July 2015

Aga – New EU sulphur rules will cause problems with oil-fired Aga’s, Dec 2009

A-levels – EU to phase out A-levels for EU style diplomas, Jan 2000

Acorns – EU to prevent the sale of English oak seeds, Nov 1994

Advertising, sex discrimination – EU to ban advertising for same-sex flats, Sep 2004

Advertising, sweets and toys – Swedish Presidency will force a ban on sweet and toy ads, Feb 1999

Africa, Circus artists – EU funding for African acrobats and trapeze artists, July 2015

Agriculture, set-aside – Farmers to be encouraged to mow land early resulting in “massacre” of game, May 1993

Agriculture, subsidies and fraud – CAP spending and fraud out of control, Aug 1993

Agriculture, three-crop rule – EU tells British farmers what they can grow, Nov 2014

Aircraft, low flying jets – MOD to be forced to pay compensation for military jet noise pollution, Dec 1995

Alcohol sales – EU ‘bans boozing’, Feb 2005

Ale, name – Light ale to be forced to change its name, May 2005

Allergen rules – UK diners will face £200m for EU allergen rules, Nov 2014

Ambulances – False alarm over 999 calls, Dec 2006

Ambulances – Ambulances turn yellow for Europe, Mar 2002

Ambulances, St Johns – EU to force St Johns Ambulances to replace its entire fleet, Apr 2002

America – Let’s quit the EU and link up with America, Oct 1998

Animals, use of human medicines – Human medicines to be forbidden for use on animals, Feb/Mar 1995

Anthem, European – Europeans to find themselves singing about “the motherland”, Feb 2004

Anti-drugs, Peru – Taxpayers money used to rehabilitate Peruvian drug addicts, Jul 2014

Apples, Apple orchards – British apple orchards to lose out to over productive continental farms, Mar 1995

Apples, Danish – EC regulations forbid the marketing of Ingrid Marie apple, Nov 1992

Apples, standards – Quality standards ban curved cucumbers and certain apples, Jun 1993

Aristocrats, and wine labels – EC to register aristocrats to check for improper labelling of wine, Oct 1993

Army vehicles – Army to be forced to upgrade trailers in line with EU Directive, Jun 2005

Asylum laws – Misunderstanding between EU and UN asylum laws, Feb 2000

Aviation – ‘Open Skies’ treaty threatens fight agains global warming, Feb 2006


Rest here
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... _ccKI9mSrg


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[Jim B]

More Project Fear but this time it's the Police who are spreading it.

Jim


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 35726.html

[Jim B]

This from the Wall Street Journal showing the exodus of EU Doctors and Specialists from the NHS. Of course it's all Project Fear until it's a Leave voters family member who needs one of these specialists and then it will be Project Fact.

Jim

https://www.wsj.com/articles/eu-doctors ... 1543755600

[Varky]

The mess that we are in over Brexit could possibly have been alleviated if, after the original Brexit referendum, a further 'referendum' had taken place with various options on Brexit to find out what the population really wanted, as opposed to an 'in or out' option. This way the infighting between the various factions, the ERG, the labour party, remainers etc. would be in less doubt as to what the populace really wanted. Of course, this means a bit of joined up thinking by politicians and that is where my suggestion falls down

Personally I would have voted for a limited Brexit. I have no problem with EU immigrants as, in the main, they pay their taxes and contribute to the UK economy. There are already mechanisms (Unused) that prevent misuse of social payments. I have no problem with a customs union as long as any duties/payments reflect trade between the EU and UK. I agree the UK should honour its commitments to the already agreed budgets (with a time limit).
Unfortunately our politicians have, generally, let us down.

[Jimgward]

Varky —I think this is why a “people’s vote” as opposed to a another referendum has come from....

Nobody knew the full implications of the initial vote and only no do we even know some of it, 2 years on.... The. Irish way, of 2 referendums on each topic, would have solved the issue.,... We are, however, unable to easily do any of these things and parliament could be chaos next week.

[Varky]

Jingward,
My vision of a second referendum would not be to revisit the in/out question, but to clarify what depth of 'out' the populace wanted. Lack of this information is fuelling unsubstantiated comments being made by various factions/groups/parties each purporting to represent the populace, which they obviously don't' They only represent their own ambitions.

[Jimgward]

David Davis - Pound Crashing no Bad Thing.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 71356.html

[Jimgward]

Jingward,
My vision of a second referendum would not be to revisit the in/out question, but to clarify what depth of 'out' the populace wanted. Lack of this information is fuelling unsubstantiated comments being made by various factions/groups/parties each purporting to represent the populace, which they obviously don't' They only represent their own ambitions.

I agree that is has to show the options - but it has to also give people the chance to now abandon leaving the EU. The crap from some, about Democracy states we must leave because of a referendum result, is bollox. People voted blind (in the main) and based on lies and deceit and unclear facts. Now we know, do we still want to leave?

[ApusApus]

Quite frankly Jimgward you are wrong, there was a referendum and the people (that could be bothered to vote) voted leave and it was democratic! The choice now is how we leave ...............… oh and the "People voted blind" is an insult to their intelligence, all 17 million of them!


Shane

[Jimgward]

I didn't say all voted blind and democracy isn't a one-off event. We can all change our minds..

I have yet to hear any benefits of leaving. Here's your Friday challenge, Shane. Name 5 benefits!

[ApusApus]

I didn't say all voted blind and democracy isn't a one-off event. We can all change our minds..

I have yet to hear any benefits of leaving. Here's your Friday challenge, Shane. Name 5 benefits!

You quoted "people voted blind (in the main)", I never said that, you did or do you dispute that ………………… and as for changing our minds, how many times do we need to change "our minds" before it becomes acceptable? As for benefits, that's a pretty worn out argument. As I have said many times before I don't know what the situation will be in 5, 10, 25 or more years time, just as I don't know what the situation will be if we end up staying in the EU in that period, historians will determine whether the decisions made were good or bad? If you (and HiC) can predict the future for the UK then maybe your skills are wasted!


Shane

[ApusApus]

Oh Jim, shame on you, that's an impossible task...and you know it

Be fair to Shane, ask him to name just one benefit which will come from Brexit as it stands.

This on a day when the Health Minister warns of this possible scenatio in the event of a No-Deal Brexit: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-brit ... SKBN1O60MW

Mind you, I was warning of this scenario 6 months ago, but was dismissed at the time as a scaremongerer

Oh HiC, if only I told you so ………………… but then you usually like to remind us that you did!


Shane

[Jimgward]

Shane. Your reply tonight makes no sense. I’ll leave you the benefit to rework

[Jimgward]

Well, a Tory minster wants us to threaten to starve out Ireland, to increase our negotiation power.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 72326.html

[Andy01424]

Do not believe a word that comes out of Amber Rudd, she is our towns MP, no one likes her period or trusts her,forced recount 3 times,as she lost,but of course 350 votes suddenly appeared,we have been trying to get rid of her for past 5yrs...classic Tory brown nose....
Most of people have spoken to at work[ i am a cab driver] favour No Deal, no holds on anything,fresh start no blackmail....its way were heading i think and for us i am glad.
https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/12/08/uk-m ... st-option/