Turkish/Greek Warships Engage Off Cyprus

[ApusApus]

Report from the Hurriyet Daily News here http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkis ... ing-138024!

So it's not ok for a Greek warship to "harass" a Turkish seismic vessel off Cyprus but it's ok for Turkish Naval Forces to do the same to an ENI licenced vessel earlier this year!

Another laughable quote "we recommend Greece to abstain from acts that would cause an escalation in the Mediterranean" said the Turkish Foreign Ministry ………………………… and what do they think Turkey's action are doing?


Shane

[Kili01]

Perhaps its wise to remember that some of the oil should belong to the Turkish Cypriots. Not exclusively only for Greek part of the island.

Dee

[ApusApus]

Unless I'm mistaken, Anastasiades has repeatedly stated that any revenues resulting from sales from Cyprus gas finds will be shared among all Cypriots both northern & southern upon reunification of the island ……………… or don't you believe him?


Shane

[WHL]

Perhaps its wise to remember that some of the oil should belong to the Turkish Cypriots. Not exclusively only for Greek part of the island.

Dee

and its wise to remember that, The Republic of Cyprus is the only country recognised by all World bodies , once there is a solution and the breakaway self declared north, joins up with the Republic then all Cypriots will share in its wealth, you cant say you want nothing to do with the Republic then, ask for a share of its wealth,

[WHL]

Report from the Hurriyet Daily News here http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkis ... ing-138024!

So it's not ok for a Greek warship to "harass" a Turkish seismic vessel off Cyprus but it's ok for Turkish Naval Forces to do the same to an ENI licenced vessel earlier this year!

Another laughable quote "we recommend Greece to abstain from acts that would cause an escalation in the Mediterranean" said the Turkish Foreign Ministry ………………………… and what do they think Turkey's action are doing?


Shane

Turkey is a bully no more no less, the Despot Dictator that's running the country , doesn't care for the law of the seas or any other International law, I think back in the day it was called Piracy ... cant wait to see what he does when the Yanks/French send their rigs off Cyprus later next month.

[Jimgward]

Perhaps its wise to remember that some of the oil should belong to the Turkish Cypriots. Not exclusively only for Greek part of the island.

Dee

Which the RoC has always stated, however since the TRNC isn’t recognised, then they have no administrative leverage.... also, if, as looks increasingly likely, cyprus is divided permanently, then the north would have no call on reserves in the southern sector.

[WHL]

[quote=ronk post_id=72615 time=1539956093 user_id=271]
from Cyprus Mail - https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/10/19/barb ... ster-says/

and in comments....purportedly..some of the text of the Minister's statement..""Bu hakkı da sonuna kadar kullanacağız. Geçmişte yine KKTC'nin kendisine vermiş olduğu ruhsat alanlarında da benzer sismik çalışmalar vardı. Güney Kıbrıs Rum Yönetimi'nin yaptığı tek taraflı eylemleri kabul edilebilir bulmuyoruz. Hakça bir paylaşım olmadan masaya oturup doğal kaynakların paylaşılması konusunda bir mutabakat sağlamadan bunları kabul etmediğimizi beyan etmiştik. Barbaros Hayreddin Paşa gemimiz orada görevlerine devam edecek. Genelkurmay ve Deniz Kuvvetlerimiz de yeni angajman çalışmalarını yaptı. Bunun açıklamasını yakın zamanda kamuoyu ile paylaşacak diye düşünüyorum."

which friend Google says means:
"We will use this right to the fullest. There are similar seismic studies in the license areas that the TRNC has given to it in the past. We do not find the unilateral actions of the Greek Cypriot Administration to be acceptable. Our vessel Barbaros Hayreddin Pasha will continue their duties there, and the Turkish General Staff and the Turkish Naval Forces have made new engagement activities."
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The Licences issued to Turkey by the north are about as legal as a nine bob note...

[ApusApus]

A couple of points to expand on, firstly has the TNRC, oops I mean Turkey, stated that the proceeds of any of their gas finds will be shared among all Cypriots? Draw your own conclusions from their silence!

And secondly, in support of Jimgward's post have a look at the regional pic below and can anyone tell me how Turkey or the TNRC can claim any parts of Cyprus' EEZ as their own in the event of a 2-state solution?

Eastern Med Gas Reserves.jpg (92.76 KiB) Viewed 6459 times

Shane

[Lofos-5]

https://cyprus-mail.com/2017/07/23/cypr ... -minister/

This article from last year has a more accurate overview of the ownership of the offshore blocks. Lots of the big boys involved in the exploration of the Cyprus blocks on the back of the huge recent discoveries in the Egyptian sector by ENI.

A.

[panoscouse]

The way I see it Cyprus has pulled a blinder here with the cooperation with Israel.
Turkey can't play the NATO card because all the US presidents and future presidential candidates relay on Israeli funding for their their political campaign.
Therefore little Cyprus (backed by Israel) can take on the might of a NATO nation and at the very least reach stagnation but probably go further and get the outcome it desires.

[Lofos-5]

The big boys I mentioned are backed by their governments that include the US, France, UK/Netherlands, Italy and Qatar. The weakest backing is probably the Italian one that ENI desperately could have used. Not sure the Turkish navy would interfere with an Exxon or QP operation...

[Jimgward]

A Stena rig is going to drill offshore, under UK flag

[WHL]

Is anyone here seriously suggesting Turkey will try and stop a USA or French rig, in the Eastern mediterranean , even the Turkish despot isnt that foolish, like all dictators before him, it isnt going to end well for him.

[WHL]

I am sorry but Turkey is probably more aligned to Russia than NATO, and its leader cares little for Israel, and no, Little Cyprus backed by Israel cannot take on Turkey. And I suspect any "conflict" between the the Turkish and Greek Navy will result in Greece..initially at least, until NATO steps in, getting its butt kicked. And if the US takes a stance against Turkey, then Putin will almost certainly make a move. Hands up who can remember any Greek interference in Cypriot affairs that ended well?

Your way off , on this one.....Greece is not interfering in Cypriot affairs, Greece's navy was protecting their own sea plots, from illegal Turkish exploration ships, It has the right with International law on its side, Turkey is just a modern day pirate, and if push comes to shove Greece would have no option but to protect its sovereign rights, like any other country would....
The last time Turkey tried to bypass Israel, sending supplies to the Palestinians , it didn't end too well for Turkey, the worse thing he has done,was to piss of the Israelis, they don't need to fight him militarily, they have the means and the friends around the World to hurt him economically, remind us how Turkey's Lira is doing, since he upset Israel.

[WHL]

WHL, unfortunately I don't think I am.,this incident occurred "off Cyprus", let's face it Turkey and Greece, or indeed Cyprus, are never going agree the bounds of the EEZ, and the Greek warship was harassing a Turkish survey ship, what on earth did they think would happen? Turkey responded as per type, and no I don't think it would take on a "Major" power in the area.

Sorry but your not correct , in this instance it has nothing to do with Cyprus, the incident happened in Greece,s part of the sea plot, the Turkish survey ship was in Greek territorial waters, sending out illegal Navtexs etc Greece has every right to confront the Turkish ship and order it out, the bounds are governed by international treaties, something the Turks ignore...Turkey once again ignores UN treaties and laws, it acts like a Pirate ready to take whatever it wants...

[WHL]

No it occurred in a ""disputed" area of the EEZ, which Turkey partly lays claim to. I am not saying they are right, but the whole issue of territorial rights is a nightmare. I believe the area is actually "owned" jointly by Greece, Cyprus and Egypt who have not delineated the area, but it also borders an area of continental shelf claimed by Turkey, again a nightmare.

Spin it how you want, Turkey daily, illegally flies its jets over Greek airspace, harrases Greek fisherman in Greek waters disputes ownership over Greek islands that Turkey signed treaties back in the day...saying they are indeed Greek... no matter what is posted, you will find some spin to justify Turkeys illegal actions,

[WHL]

I'm not spinning anything,just stating what is going on and potentially why! You just cannot see beyound the end of your nose can you....read the reports in the press, and where have I suggested the actions of turkey are anything but illegal? I have an open mind....unlike some it would seem.

Hudswell your probably the most contentious member on this forum, im done, argue with yourself,... Open mind, you.....now thats funny

[Kili01]

If only there was a genuine will to settle the Cyprus problem then the squabbling over the sea plots in the EEZ could be settled more easily and the risk of something more serious happening would be averted. Over the years since 1974 there have been many talks trying to do this. Each time they falter at the 11th hour....

Dee