Cyprus residency - again

[Mrblobby]

France are working on plans for what to do if there is no deal .

No-deal would mean the UK immediately becoming a third country to the EU (non EU/EEA state), with no transition period, from March 30, 2019.

In preliminary notes the bill outlines the consequences of this including:

“British people currently living in France and their families would find themselves resident illegally, because of lacking one of the residency documents [these are always required for third country residents]”


We have had the document recently from Cyprus gov talking about the transition period assuming a deal .

I wonder if they also have any plans for no deal ?

[Dominic]

I posted a whole host of links in the Useful Information from the High Commission thread pinned to the top of the page. You may want to look at them.

This is relevant to your immediate question:

https://www.gov.uk/government/collectio ... th-no-deal

I wonder if France has thought about French people residing in the UK?

[Kili01]

Surely people are entitled to their views of this important matter?
Some of us have tried to do as was recommeneded by the BHC and have applied or indeed have the MEU3. So be it.
Time will tell what will happen should there be no agreement.
Maybe its time to stop endless posting and wait to see what happens rather than trying to 2nd guess it!

Dee

[Kili01]

Hudswell, when this happens we’ll see.
So be it.

Dee

[Mirek]

I think dancing Theresa has forgot that there are currently more Europeans living in the UK than British people in Europe and that the trade deficit we have with other EU countries notably Germany and France are huge !

She has got to grow a pair

[Mirek]

Sorry I forgot to add

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/354

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-trade-deficit-eu/

[ApusApus]

Let's wait and see what actually happens folks without the speculation of HiC as usual! If the EU adopt what Mr Blobby is saying France will do, then the UK will quite rightly do the same and what will happen next ……………… all UK citizens will be banished from the EU and likewise all EU citizens will be sent home from the UK! Do you honestly think the EU and the UK will actually go through with this because if thy do then the economic consequences will be catastrophic!

Do you feel that is what the 28 governments' are aiming for because I don't!


Shane

[Varky]

HIC, you just can't help yourself can you....do you have shares in the process? Both the BHC and the Cypriot Authorities have confirmed that both the MEU 1 or MEU 3 are equally acceptable...and if the proverbial hits the fan then I suspect neither will give you any protection, because you will not be a EU citizen..MEU 3 or not. Given your view of the omnipotent power of the EU27 in deciding who and who doesn't have the right to reside in an EU country it does make me wonder why in your opinion, a Cypriot MEU3 is seemingly guaranteeing your residence here, when it seem the equivalent French MEU 3 is apparently worthless.... please stop with your scaremongering.

Am I wrong, but as I read it the only person scaremongering here is Hudswell with his doom and gloom prediction that the MEU3 could be worthless.

[josef k]

You may be interested in a significant difference between MEU2 and MEU3 for non-EU spouses of EU citizens. If they are on an MEU2 (their equivalent of the MEU1) then they can only leave Cyprus for a maximum 90 days in one stint. Any longer and the MEU2 lapses and they have to start all over again at Immigration. If they have an MEU3 then this gives them 6 months instead of 90 days.

Once we Brits are "third country nationals", then these rules may well apply to us. Important for some and, as with many aspects, we just don't know.

[Kili01]

I would much rather have a document the MEU3, which can be exchanged later for a residents permit when UK has left the EU, then follow Hudswells guidance and rely on the MEU1 which is a registration document not a residents permit....

The guidence document I have read says that the MEU1 should be changed to an MEU3 when a person has lived here for 5 years. He can then apply for one or hopefully its equivalent.

Dee

Dee

[Varky]

HIC, you just can't help yourself can you....do you have shares in the process? Both the BHC and the Cypriot Authorities have confirmed that both the MEU 1 or MEU 3 are equally acceptable...and if the proverbial hits the fan then I suspect neither will give you any protection, because you will not be a EU citizen..MEU 3 or not. Given your view of the omnipotent power of the EU27 in deciding who and who doesn't have the right to reside in an EU country it does make me wonder why in your opinion, a Cypriot MEU3 is seemingly guaranteeing your residence here, when it seem the equivalent French MEU 3 is apparently worthless.... please stop with your scaremongering.

Am I wrong, but as I read it the only person scaremongering here is Hudswell with his doom and gloom prediction that the MEU3 could be worthless.

Yep you are wrong, i am confident that whatever happens with BREXIT UK expats will be able to continue their lives in Cyprus as they do now. It is clear from the documentation pushed out by both the BHC and Cypriot authorities that providing you are in possession of an MEU 1 it will be business as usual, you may also wish to apply for an MEU 3, which has been recommended but not mandatory. I don't really care what France are saying in regard to UK expats registered/resident there..I don't live there and I prefer to go with the view of the BHC and Cypriot authorities.

So why did you mention what the French are doing? Did you ever think that by doing so you might be worrying people, i.e. scaremongering, or is that a step too far for your comprehension?

[Mrblobby]

Morning Hudswell , I saw your wink , but as a matter of interest , in France they do not have the equivalent of the meu1 .

Any stay in French territory for more then three months is considered as residency. To become a French resident you need a residency permit, with the exception of EU/EEA nationals for whom the residency permit is no longer mandatory.

Residency in France
However, even for EU-citizens a residence permit (carte de séjour)is very useful, as this makes life easier,and without one you cannot get access to many state services or aids - such as housing financial aid, etc.

[Jim B]

Our daughter has an MU1 and lives with us in Paphos. She is presently taking a gap year from University until she starts her PhD next summer. She has no income, (except the bank of dad) no utility bills or any of the usual documents required by Immigration when applying for an MU3.
Anyone else in the same position and can provide some answers on what to do please.
Jim

[Chaddy]

Quick about-turn there Hudswell

As I've said before, we must each make our judgement and I am happy with the additional protection afforded by the MEU3 and which we now have in our possession.

And equally, you are entitled to 'hope' and 'assume' as much as you desire.

HIC,why would you say that those who are " hoping and assuming" when we have it from the latest release from the Cypriot authorities that a MEU1 is sufficient for residency is enough. Oh dear Its not because you have paid handsomely to an agent for your MEU3 when you really did not have to. Oh dear

[memory man]

Could you clarify this HiC pls.

the additional protection afforded by the MEU3

[Kili01]

JimB,
Perhaps you could check with the BHC and take their advice? Or alternatively, ask Gwenny. She knows the answers to most things!
Sometimes a lot of hot air is bandied about on forums....

Dee

[Jim B]

Thanks Dee for your advice, very much appreciated.

Hudswell
Once they reach eighteen they stop becoming a dependent; in law, that is

Jim

[Kili01]

Hudswell,
Not meaning to upset you, but you do seem to have a bee in Your bonnet over this subject, metaphorically speaking. If you believe what you obviously do about the MEU1(registration with Immigration) and MEU3( Residents Parmit), is there any need to continually post on here.
Your advice may be helping to confuse others.
It’s simple really. If you (and others?) have been living here for less than 5 yrs you aren’t eligible to apply for an MEU3. If you have been living here for 5 or more years you are encouraged to apply for residency here (MEU3).

Does this help to explain the situation?
I hope so.
Maybe there is some other topic which interests you instead!
Dee

[Kili01]

Hudswell,
This is the nub of your problem. The MEU 1 isn’t a substitute for getting the residence permit once you have lived here for 5 years. If you read the amount of blurb which has come out. Cathi Delaney’s account may be a bit inaccurate, better to read the official BHC/UK guidance info and that issued by the Cyprus Govt. All this may be even more important should there by no Brexit agreement. If that happens we will no longer have the protection of EU law and can be classified as ‘rest of the world’ ie 3rd world.
Dee

[Chaddy]

HIC,why would you say that those who are " hoping and assuming"

Please re-read my post diligently, and without adding your own spin. Hudswell often prefaces his points with "I hope..." and "I assume..." and it was to Hudswell that I was addressing my post. No-one else.

...when we have it from the latest release from the Cypriot authorities that a MEU1 is sufficient for residency is enough.

The BHC stress that you need an MEU1 as a minimum requirement (legal obligation) for those living in Cyprus for more than 6 months (I think, without looking). They then recommend that if you have lived here for more than 5 years and are eligible to do so, you should apply for an MEU3. We have done that, as it seems have many on this forum. You and Hudswell say it's not necessary. That's fine with me, do as you wish.

Oh dear Its not because you have paid handsomely to an agent for your MEU3 when you really did not have to. Oh dear

Again, you're making presumptions. We do not consider that we paid "handsomely" (as you put it) to our agent; we paid what we believe to be a fair price to someone who provided an excellent personal service and who performed exactly as they said they would. In the same situation we would do the same again.

When I say handsomely I mean as against other posters on this site who have paid nowt to get their MEU3 on their own.I,ve no doubt your agent provided the service you wanted and did it well.In my case the earliest appointment at the immigration is February next year