Finally, realisation seems to have appeared

[PhotoLady]

Non-EU migrants will be allowed into UK after Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45429397
Sorry, I'm using my phone at the moment so cannot copy backwards and forwards but some workers will be used for some jobs. Wonder how many more relaxation of the rules will be added.

[WHL]

Makes perfect sense farmers etc need seasonal manual unskilled workers, British people dont want to do this type of work..you bring in people who want to work, win win all round.

[trevnhil]

Wot !!! No people on the Dole now ??

[Jim B]

When I lived in Ormskirk our property backed on to farmland. Most of the lads working the fields were from either Tunisia or Morocco; never met anyone from the EU.
Jim

[Jimgward]

So, non-EU migrants are better than EU-migrants somehow?

[J B]

I went on a 'farm walk' last year around http://www.pdmproduce.co.uk/
They grow a lot of salad crops for supermarkets.

They have a small village of caravans for all their staff who come mainly from Eastern Europe from March to November. Many return each year to work again.
They did manage to employ someone from nearby Telford once ... he lasted one week!!!

[Chaddy]

Hate to say it but I did mention it many many times pre referendum that a vote for Brexit would NOT stop immigration and one reason was that the immigrants were needed.So those who,s main reason for voting Brexit was to stop or slow down immigration have,,,,,,,, dropped a clanger?
An unmentionable politician in America said last week "if you don't have border,s you don't have a country.

[RattyPatty]

Surely bringing in seasonal workers is different from immigration. The main problem is the lack of interest in ensuring people who shouldn't be in the country leave. I obviously don't know whether the majority of leave voters did so because of immigration but I shouldn't think any of them objected to people coming in to the country to do necessary work and support themselves. I know I don't.

[tyelaw47]

You are quite right of course Ratty Party. In addition I might say that controlled immigration is rather different from freedom of movement and in my,admittedly limited experience, people were only against the freedom of movement not immigration per se.

[Jimgward]

If you listened to Question Time, most Brexit voters who voted that way based on immigration, were against immigration full-stop.... nothing to do with anything else and had the view that they were 'taking our jobs'

[Jim B]

It must be the low circles I move in but when discussing Brexit in the bar after work all the Brexiteers were emphatic it was all about immigration and stopping "all foriegners" coming ing into the UK. None of them mentioned trade deals or making our own laws, it was pure racialism. The funny thing was that we were all working in Egypt at the time and they couldn't see the irony of their comments.

Jim

[kingfisher]

Jim B –I don’t consider it irony for a UK ex-pat worker in Egypt [who is probably paying some tax in UK], to comment on uncontrolled immigration in the UK.
He cannot chose to access social security, free hospitals, free housing, and if coming to retirement age, an unearned pension- even if he wished to do so- in Egypt. In other words, he is contracted to do a specific job, get paid and go home. Different thing.

BTW, do you look at Yahoo Finance (UK)? In theory, a great place to read articles of shall we say, a “remain” flavour. Trouble is, having been sourced from either the Guardian, Independent, or home-brewed by ex-Warwick Business School [EU] hacks, the comments sections tell it all. Most of the comments are strongly Leave, and a darn’ sight better than the crap “journalism”!.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexi ... 13850.html

Jon,

[josef k]

I know a number of Brits over here who have had a visa refused when trying to take their non-EU wife to the UK. They laugh when people go on about uncontrolled immigration.

Those who voted to leave the EU in order to end all immigration see no irony in going for a curry in the local "Indian", or being treated by a Filippina nurse in A&E, etc etc.
The fact is that the UK needs immigration in order to maintain essential services, operate the farming industry etc. Nearly 50 MPs are from immigrant families. The Queen is married to an immigrant. Her grandson is married to an immigrant. Boris Johnson is partly of Turkish decent. Nigel Farage is married to an immigrant.

[Jimgward]

Kingfisher, it wasn't about uncontrolled immigration for far too many - as Jim B says, many were purely racist. Fast too many and it's breeding more.

I have no issue with people who vote and still believe in Brexit - my BiL and FiL and MiL and of that ilk..... but not if based purely on racist views on immigration. Britain should be the most multi-cultural state on the planet - we 'proudly' talk of having taken over most countries in the world - we owed it to their populations to allow them to 'share' in the supposed wealth we were creating....

[ApusApus]

Hudswell, this may have been said before but you could punctuate your posts with a few full stops and paragraphs to make them easier to read! Your last post contains several lines of text punctuated by lots of "……" just a thought?


Shane

[Dominic]

What I don't get is why nobody ever seems to moan about the Chinese and China Town in London? On the contrary, it is a tourist attraction. As is Brick Lane, for that matter.

Surely if you want full integration then China Town is a nono.

I always thought multiculturism wasn't about full integration. I thought it was about multiple cultures coexisting.

[WHL]

Multi Culturalism only works if those cultures are willing to integrate and not try a create their own societies within it, in this case the UK's...Immigration is a worry, for many, but not based on racism, on the ability to simply "cope" and not have your facilities and services overwealmed...there is nothing remotely racist about that.

And yes uncontolled immigration and the growth of "free movement" has fed fear which both the far right and left take advantage of. If you want to see the effect of uncontrolled mass immigration...look at Germany, Sweden, where the far Right is in a feeding frenzy and getting more support daily.

Of course the UK needs immigration, and immigration will continue from both within the EU and outside of it, but free movement, uncontolled immigration and the consequential drain in the UK's resources, services will be curtailed.

Sounds like the British enclaves in Paphos, Oroklini in Larnaca etc ..... No integration/learning the Language etc etc ...O the Irony... you cant bash the immigrants for not integrating when the vast majority of British immigrants to Cyprus practise the same thing.... you dont want to be called a hypocrite do you ?

[Jimgward]

The problem most have had with immigration, is based on the UK’s policy - under all governments - of allowing immigrants uncontrolled access to health, benefits and more. No other EU country allowed that, yet many Brexit voters blamed the EU for that lackadaisical attitude - when it was the UK all along.....

[Jimgward]

So, why does an immigrant from UK to Cyprus not receive the reciprocal benefits? If you move to any other country, you don't automatically get the benefits that the UK has given in the past.... The UK were lax.

[Dominic]

Basically the UK NHS only want to care for people without thinking about the cost.