Three cheers for John Bercow

[keving]

Because it is unprecedented does that make it wrong? and yes of course it is to hopefully cement a trade deal with the US, something the UK will welcome and benefit from after Brexit, exactly why is that wrong? It seems to me to be a sensible thing to do. I am not a great Trump fan but the hysteria being whipped up in the UK seems to me to be both counter productive and misplaced, as much as it may stick in the craw of some we need the US, having a beneficial relationship with them will enable the UK to move on from Brexit, but then again those that would wish to see the country fail probably know that.

Precisely!

The word 'desperation' on behalf of the remainers and anti-Trumpers springs to mind...

No reason why myself and Lloyd should be considered desperate. It eludes me as to what we are in "desperation" of.

On the other hand, Theresa May's hand-holding invitation of a state visit to the UK had the whiff of desperation all over it.

And all for what? A free trade deal with the US? What impact do you think that will really have when the average tariff between the USA and the EU is only 3%?

No, a definite whiff of desperation in the air, driven by PR and the need to be seen as doing something. Whatever it is.

[cyprusgrump]

Because it is unprecedented does that make it wrong? and yes of course it is to hopefully cement a trade deal with the US, something the UK will welcome and benefit from after Brexit, exactly why is that wrong? It seems to me to be a sensible thing to do. I am not a great Trump fan but the hysteria being whipped up in the UK seems to me to be both counter productive and misplaced, as much as it may stick in the craw of some we need the US, having a beneficial relationship with them will enable the UK to move on from Brexit, but then again those that would wish to see the country fail probably know that.

Precisely!

The word 'desperation' on behalf of the remainers and anti-Trumpers springs to mind...

No reason why myself and Lloyd should be considered desperate. It eludes me as to what we are in "desperation" of.

On the other hand, Theresa May's hand-holding invitation of a state visit to the UK had the whiff of desperation all over it.

And all for what? A free trade deal with the US? What impact do you think that will really have when the average tariff between the USA and the EU is only 3%?

No, a definite whiff of desperation in the air, driven by PR and the need to be seen as doing something. Whatever it is.

I think you are desperate - threads like this show how desperate you actually are...

None of your doomsday forecasts have actually occurred - yes I know we haven't left yet but most of your doomsday forecasts were for the immediate aftermath of a Brexit vote.

In any other parallel universe a visit of a positive and friendly POTUS would be considered hugely beneficial but you just can't admit it...

You cling to anything - even the ramblings of a discredited speaker to somehow prove that you are right and the millions that voted Brexit and trump are wrong. And stupid and racist and sexist obviously...

And the most bizarre thing is that you can't even see that...

And all for what? A free trade deal with the US? What impact do you think that will really have when the average tariff between the USA and the EU is only 3%?

...is an excellent argument for Brexit...

Because the US which has no free movement, no membership fee and no restriction on the size of the motor in its vacuum cleaners only pays 3%...?

Bring it on!

Thread >>> Pit

[Jimgym]

Maybe we could name your breasts’ John Bercow’s creepy guide to picking up drunk girls

“DON’T move I have a vial of the AIDS virus” is just one of the jaw droppingly creepy ‘chat-up lines’ in an article penned by the Speaker of the Commons called 'John Bercow’s Guide to Understanding Women'.

The staggeringly crass piece, which also suggested telling a drunk girl “maybe we could go back to your place and name your breasts”, has resurfaced in the wake of Mr Bercow’s controversial call to axe a state visit by Donald Trump on the grounds of the US President’s perceived reputation for sexist and racist outbursts.

But it turns out Mr Bercow knows a thing or two about sexism and racism.

The Speaker, 54, had his name at the top of an article in radical Tory magazine Armageddon which told people how to pick up virgins and drunk girls.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Hypocrite

How disgusting. I'm slightly surprised that there has been so little comment on this. Perhaps those who feel Mr. Bercow was correct in his decision regarding Trump, would care to comment? Or is their outrage only reserved for the chosen few?

[cyprusgrump]

Duddridge Tables No Confidence Motion In Speaker

Vote of No Confidence

This House has no confidence in The Speaker.
Tory MP James Duddridge tells Sky:

“We want a fresh speaker, a Speaker that has the confidence of the full House… I’ve been absolutely amazed at the number of people who’ve encouraged me to table this motion of no confidence… The number of MPs speaking out will increase and it will be known that the Speaker’s position is untenable.”

[keving]

If there is any desperation in the air it is from those who would wish the UK to remain in the EU who are determined to poo poo any initiatives taken to promote trade with other nations after Brexit. Mrs May is doing her job, today she hosted the CEO of Apple, not doubt Brexit was discussed and perhaps the advantages of Apple moving their European Headquarters to the UK, their new London HQ will be in the revamped Battersea Powerstation, employing over 3000 people...

I have absolutely no problem with May meeting CEOs like Tim Cook and selling to them the benefits of staying in the UK rather than re-locating to the EU - and if she is able to do so, to sell the benefits to companies currently head quartered in the EU to move to the UK.

I do hope, for example, that the Brexit negotiations have a positive outcome in respect of banking and there is not an exodus away from London to Frankfurt/Paris/etc.

Coming back to Apple. I might be a little cynical, but please don't confuse cynicism with desperation. I've said that I agree that May meeting Cook was a good idea, good PR, but at the end of the day my understanding is that the new Apple headquarters in the former Battersea Power Station just brings together several Apple offices scattered over London.

So, in tangible terms possibly very little has been achieved. But if you believe in the May charm and believed that she has charmed Apple into staying in the UK and not relocating to the EU, then she should have plaudits ringing in her ears.

[keving]

Precisely!

The word 'desperation' on behalf of the remainers and anti-Trumpers springs to mind...

No reason why myself and Lloyd should be considered desperate. It eludes me as to what we are in "desperation" of.

On the other hand, Theresa May's hand-holding invitation of a state visit to the UK had the whiff of desperation all over it.

And all for what? A free trade deal with the US? What impact do you think that will really have when the average tariff between the USA and the EU is only 3%?

No, a definite whiff of desperation in the air, driven by PR and the need to be seen as doing something. Whatever it is.

I think you are desperate - threads like this show how desperate you actually are...

None of your doomsday forecasts have actually occurred - yes I know we haven't left yet but most of your doomsday forecasts were for the immediate aftermath of a Brexit vote.

In any other parallel universe a visit of a positive and friendly POTUS would be considered hugely beneficial but you just can't admit it...

You cling to anything - even the ramblings of a discredited speaker to somehow prove that you are right and the millions that voted Brexit and trump are wrong. And stupid and racist and sexist obviously...

And the most bizarre thing is that you can't even see that...

And all for what? A free trade deal with the US? What impact do you think that will really have when the average tariff between the USA and the EU is only 3%?

...is an excellent argument for Brexit...

Because the US which has no free movement, no membership fee and no restriction on the size of the motor in its vacuum cleaners only pays 3%...?

Bring it on!

Thread >>> Pit

I think you are desperate - threads like this show how desperate you actually are... How so? I am just having banter with you. Don't tell me you are serious about all of this?

None of your doomsday forecasts have actually occurred Can you remind me? I've never used the word doomsday in my life and always taken a long term view.

In any other parallel universe a visit of a positive and friendly POTUS would be considered hugely beneficial but you just can't admit it... Wrong again, I'm not afraid of admitting when I'm wrong. I've yet to be proven wrong in my estimation of Trump. Certainly not a positive and friendly person. No.

You cling to anything - even the ramblings of a discredited speaker ...
I'm not clinging to anything. Who says he is ramblimg? Who says he is discredited?

And the most bizarre thing is that you can't even see that... does that mean that I am thicker than you?

[cyprusgrump]

And the most bizarre thing is that you can't even see that... does that mean that I am thicker than you?

Just tell me how this would be a nightmare...?

And all for what? A free trade deal with the US? What impact do you think that will really have when the average tariff between the USA and the EU is only 3%?

No free movement, no membership fee, no access to US fish stocks...?

For 3%...?

[cyprusgrump]

Bercow Is an ‘Embarrassment to the British Parliament’, Says Former U.S. Ambassador to UN

House of Commons Speaker John Bercow is an “embarrassment to the British Parliament”, a former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations has said.

John Bolton said the British government will be “outraged” at Mr. Bercow for effectively banning U.S. President Donald J. Trump from addressing Parliament when he makes a state visit later this year.

Speaking to Breitbart News Daily, Ambassador Bolton said that under the British constitution, the Speaker usually takes a neutral role. However, with Bercow “somehow they’ve gotten somebody who seems to think that he has some voice that gives him a role in British politics way beyond his capabilities”.

He called Mr. Bercow an “embarrassment to the British Parliament” and said: “I’m sure Theresa May is outraged at this and would like to try to find a way to correct it. Hopefully, she will.”

[Maggie B]

Mr Bercow in my opinion is just a snivelling wee sh*t.

Maggie B

[keving]

Bercow Is an ‘Embarrassment to the British Parliament’, Says Former U.S. Ambassador to UN

House of Commons Speaker John Bercow is an “embarrassment to the British Parliament”, a former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations has said.

John Bolton said the British government will be “outraged” at Mr. Bercow for effectively banning U.S. President Donald J. Trump from addressing Parliament when he makes a state visit later this year.

Speaking to Breitbart News Daily, Ambassador Bolton said that under the British constitution, the Speaker usually takes a neutral role. However, with Bercow “somehow they’ve gotten somebody who seems to think that he has some voice that gives him a role in British politics way beyond his capabilities”.

He called Mr. Bercow an “embarrassment to the British Parliament” and said: “I’m sure Theresa May is outraged at this and would like to try to find a way to correct it. Hopefully, she will.”

Breitbart, ha ha. I think you have too much time on your hands. I bet when you were working you weren't reading this tripe.

Do we give a damn who John Bolton is or what he thinks? Bolton should have done his research before mouthing off.

The Speaker is one of the highest-ranking officials in the United Kingdom. The Speaker ranks in the order of precedence above all non-royal individuals except the Prime Minister, the Lord Chancellor, and the Lord President of the Council.

[Jimgym]

Mr Bercow in my opinion is just a snivelling wee sh*t.

Maggie B

Maggie, I love you!

[Dominic]

When Breitbart and Daily Express are considered reliable sources of information the discussion is doomed.

Would people like me to move this from the Moderates to the regular Politics section? I sense that there is a lot of sitting on hands occurring and would be happy to move it IF there was a consensus. Anything over 52:48 eh?

[Ramone]

Mr Bercow seems to forget that Having a very good relationship with the U.S. is important for the UK & has been very useful in the past.
What ever you think of Trump we have had dealings with a lot worse. (As quoted above).
It is important we keep on good terms with most countries outside the Euro zone because the way things are going they won't be in any rush to help us.
If that means letting Trump speak to the house of commons ( which I don't have a lot of time for either) then so be it.

[cyprusgrump]

When Breitbart and Daily Express are considered reliable sources of information the discussion is doomed.

Perhaps you could let us know which media outlets are considered reliable for the purposes of discussion on the forum?

No doubt the completely unbiased BBC, Guardian and Independent will be on the list...?

[Dominic]

None of them are 100% reliable. As for the purposes of discussion, you debate with whatever tools you choose. If you choose to use The Express, you are entering the ring with both hands tied behind your back and your shorts round your ankles.

That is my own personal opinion, from an ex Express reader who liked it back in the days of Peter Tory. It is not the "official line of the forum", so to speak. The "official line" is to stand back and let them get on with it.

[OhSusana]

British officials drop plans for Donald Trump to address parliament
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -elizabeth
The government has abandoned the idea of Donald Trump addressing the joint Houses of Parliament when he comes to Britain for a state visit later this year after objections by MPs led by the Commons Speaker John Bercow....

[keving]

British officials drop plans for Donald Trump to address parliament
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -elizabeth
The government has abandoned the idea of Donald Trump addressing the joint Houses of Parliament when he comes to Britain for a state visit later this year after objections by MPs led by the Commons Speaker John Bercow....

Looks like John Bercow is in touch with the mood of the nation and, being the populist that she is, Mrs May has concurred.

[Jimgym]

British officials drop plans for Donald Trump to address parliament
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -elizabeth
The government has abandoned the idea of Donald Trump addressing the joint Houses of Parliament when he comes to Britain for a state visit later this year after objections by MPs led by the Commons Speaker John Bercow....

Looks like John Bercow is in touch with the mood of the nation and, being the populist that she is, Mrs May has concurred.

Do you think so? Tell me, in your opinion, was he in touch with the mood of the nation whilst he was committee secretary for the Monday Club’s Immigration and Repatriation group, which called for “an end to New Commonwealth and Pakistan immigration, a properly financed system of voluntary repatriation, the repeal of the Race Relations Act and the abolition of the Commission for Racial Equality”?
Was he also in touch with the mood of the nation whilst he wrote things such as“ Don't move I have a vial of the AIDS virus” is just one of the jaw droppingly creepy ‘chat-up lines’ in an article penned by the Speaker of the Commons called 'John Bercow’s Guide to Understanding Women'?

[Jimgym]

British officials drop plans for Donald Trump to address parliament
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -elizabeth
The government has abandoned the idea of Donald Trump addressing the joint Houses of Parliament when he comes to Britain for a state visit later this year after objections by MPs led by the Commons Speaker John Bercow....

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02 ... ssador-un/ More Bercow related news for you to digest, in case you missed it on an earlier post......

[keving]

British officials drop plans for Donald Trump to address parliament
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -elizabeth
The government has abandoned the idea of Donald Trump addressing the joint Houses of Parliament when he comes to Britain for a state visit later this year after objections by MPs led by the Commons Speaker John Bercow....

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02 ... ssador-un/ More Bercow related news for you to digest, in case you missed it on an earlier post......

Try to keep up Jimgym. I commented yesterday on the link that you have just posted.