Brexit to be cancelled ?

[jeba]

I don't want a Porsche, just Brexit.

No matter what the cost? Well, fair enough for you but others might want to be asked. How can you justify refusing that to them (short of doing away with referenda, which would be a good idea in my view)?

[Firefly]

Brexit will happen, we will face whatever it brings.

The whole of Britain had a vote, everyone was aware that we would face problems of some kind or another, but to the majority we wanted our freedom from the shackles of the EU, and now thank God it will happen.

Jackie

[jeba]

Brexit will happen, we will face whatever it brings.

The whole of Britain had a vote, everyone was aware that we would face problems of some kind or another, but to the majority we wanted our freedom from the shackles of the EU, and now thank God it will happen.

Jackie

How does this answer my questions which were: No matter what the cost? and How to justify people a say whether they´re prepared to accept those?

[Firefly]

Jeba

Do you know the cost ?

I believe that we don't yet know the cost, and if politicians are anything to go by, we probably won't know for years.

That said you can guarantee that the EU will have it's pound of flesh one way or the other. They will squeeze us for every penny they can get, purely as a matter of greed, and a warning to others. Well we have weathered worse as a nation, and survived.

Our forefathers didn't fight two world wars to see us ruled by Europe.

Jackie

[Devil]

Do you know the cost ?

Do you know the cost up to now? The cost of many hundreds of extra civil servants? The cost of the rent to house their offices? The cost of the propaganda? The cost of the negotiators in Brussels? The cost of the civil servants' travel expenses and entertainment between London and Brussels? The cost of personnel not being able to do their jobs properly? The cost of printing multiple sheaves of documents? The cost of government involvement (incl Theresa May's sandals and Boris on his jollies) and its man-hours? The cost of publicity? The cost of the newspapers' column-cm and their dedicated reporters/correspondents? The cost of the time wasted between the referendum and now?

Personally, I haven't a clue, but I've seen guesses between £23 million and 1 billion. However, the Bank of England has done a calculation and suggests £47 billion including lost growth (which the other estimates ignore)

The Bank of England announced that voting to leave the European Union has cost Britain more than £440 million a week in lost growth since the referendum, thats £727 per second.

:
We could have employed 2,023,976 extra nurses.
(£23,000 per nurse)
Hospitals
We could have built 26 new hospitals.
(£1,785M per hospital)
Police
We could have recruited 2,401,664 new police officers.
(£19,383 per officer)
Trains
We could have bought 3,103 new trains.
(£15M per train)
Road maintenance
Repaired 517,238,531 potholes.
(£90 per pot hole)
Border force
We could have secured 1,995,347 new border officers.
(£23,330 per officer)

https://costofbrexit.bitballoon.com/

[jeba]

Do you know the cost ?

Of course not. But at the end of the negotiations you should at least get a rough idea. By the way: Where I´m from (Germany) answering a question with another question is regarded poor manners. Maybe that´s different in the Anglosaxon world? You still haven´t answered whether you´d accept any cost and why voters shouldn´t have a say in whether it should be accepted.

[outasite]

One thing that should be cancelled for the time being is the salaries of the squabbling twerps in that big house by the river Thames. At least until they can sit down like sensible people and work out what is best for their employers. Us.

[OhSusana]

Our forefathers didn't fight two world wars to see us ruled by Europe.
Jackie

Jeba. I think this quote says it all. Your former Ambassador to Britain, Peter Ammon, was quite correct when he claimed that Brexiteers were fixated on the second world war. It seems appropriate at this moment - to mention football - as Kane has just scored -

this nostalgia for a particular, and peculiar, version of our history long preceded Brexit. Remarking on the chant “Two world wars and one World Cup” that rang out whenever England played Germany at football, academic Paul Gilroy wrote, in After Empire: “The boast to which the phrase gives voice is integral to a larger denial. It declares nothing significant changed during the course of Britain’s downwardly mobile 20th century … We are being required to admit that the nations which triumphed in 1918 and 1945 live on somewhere unseen, but palpable.”

The article in which I found this continues -
For if memories of the war made some feel more defiant, recollections of empire made them deluded. Our colonial past, and the inability to come to terms with its demise, gave many the impression that we are far bigger, stronger and more influential than we really are. …
It was through this distorted lens (“Let’s put the Great back in Great Britain”) that a majority voted to leave. Ammon puts the fantasies down to war stories from Brexiteers’ childhoods..

And basically concludes -
Brexiteers have ostensibly got what they want: Brexit. They assumed we could dictate the terms; we can’t. They assumed we could just walk away; we can’t. They had no more plans for leaving than a dog chasing a car has to drive it. They are now finding out how little sovereignty means for a country the size of Britain in a neoliberal globalised economy

Your former Ambassador is indeed wise.

[Jimgward]

Good article, OhSusana

[ApusApus]

Oh dear, Oh Jimgward, & OhSusana!


Shane

[kingfisher]

Oh hell, more like.
And just when things had settled down nicely.
Well, I’d best get down to the cellar and dig out my tin hat, musket, powder and balls….
On second thoughts I’ll get out and do a spot of gardening….

[trevnhil]

It's too hot for Gardening at least at this time of day and later

[Jimgym]

It's too hot for Gardening at least at this time of day and later

It certainly is which is why I'm going to be pushing a trolley around the supermarket instead!

[trevnhil]

Or you could have a walk around both floors in the air conditioned Mall.. The car parking levels are not as interesting

[Firefly]

Jeba

In answer to your question, yes. If you're from Germany, why does Brexit matter to you ?

Devil,

If we have lost that money, what a pity the government didn't spend it as you have calculated, or is it merely on paper ?

OhSusana

I have more respect for the sacrifices of conscripted men who fought and died for us. That may not matter to some, but having a Grandfather in WW1 and my Father in WW11, it matters a lot to me. I care not what others think about that.

Jackie

[jeba]

Perhaps Jena, being German, the concept of a National Referendum such as BREXIT is somewhat of an anomaly to you, and I do not mean that in an offensive way, but I do not believe the German constitution would a allow a Gexit Referendum...I may be wrong.

No, you´re right. And it´s a good thing in my view.

[jeba]

Jeba
In answer to your question, yes. If you're from Germany, why does Brexit matter to you ?

It matters indirectly because without the UK those countries which want to turn the EU into a transfer-union will have the majority needed to do that. It´s bad enough that Germany couldn´t stop the "whatever it takes" approach of the ECB (btw. the German board member resigned in protest of that) despite the urban myth that Germany runs the EU.

[Firefly]

Jeba

Oh dear, it looks as though the EU will become a transfer union then. You don't know what you've got till it's gone so they say, and we are going.

[Mrblobby]

Well the case was heard yesterday , no result for a long time .

Avocat Julien Fouchet, from Bordeaux, said he is keeping his fingers crossed for a good result, allowing a further hearing later in the year. However he said he may have to wait until September before he knows.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French- ... top-Brexit