Asylum Seekers

[Dominic]

Are you seriously trying to say that the 8.7 million foreign nationals are all asylum seekers? Because if you aren't that figure is completely meaningless.

[josef k]

Some facts would be helpful Itisfun. Such as:

To build on Dominic's point. The 8.7 would include asylum seekers (to use your term) from Ireland, USA, Canada, Australia etc. Can you point us at the study you mention so we can see the breakdown please?

You seem to state that "our own elderly sick and needy" get the same benefits and services as asylum seekers. Did you look at this page when carrying out your research? https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/polic ... m_-_page_1

Can we have further data on the couple who worked "tirelessly" for a combined 95 years please (how old, where located etc)? Also, who is telling them they don't need their house?

I hope you don't see this as a high handed reply from someone who doesn't get out of his seat to help. It is merely an attempt to get some facts out into the open.

[Devil]

In 2017, there were 14,767 grants of asylum, just a tad less than 8.7 million (0.1697% !!!!)

[Firefly]

Itisfun said 'asylum seekers' not those granted asylum Devil.

[Devil]

And I take it that all the other 99.8303% failed in their bid for asylum? Sure, get real!

[Firefly]

I do not know the percentage of asylum seekers who have not received any decision as yet to their application for asylum, compared to failed asylum seekers, and asylum seekers who have been granted asylum. No doubt your Mensa brain can work it out.

I'm surprised by your use of the slang term, sure, get real !

Jackie

[Dominic]

Firefly, are you honestly trying to say that the total number or asylum seekers in the UK is over 8.7 million?

Not even Farage would try and claim something so ludicrous!

[josef k]

I have some facts (from the UK government).

In 2017, there were 14,767 grants of asylum, alternative forms of protection and resettlement, compared with 15,156 in the previous year. This comprised:

7,469 grants of asylum to main applicants and dependants (down 11%)
1,086 grants of alternative form of protection to main applicants and their dependants (down 29%)
6,212 people provided with protection under a resettlement scheme (up 19%)
Of the 14,767 people granted asylum, protection and resettlement, 5,866 were children (under 18 years old).

Additionally, 5,218 Family reunion visas were issued to partners and children of those granted asylum or humanitarian protection in the UK, a 14% decrease since last year. Of these, 2,677 were issued to children.

The number of asylum applications in the UK from main applicants decreased by 14% to 26,350 in 2017. The number of asylum applications in the UK has been lower for two consecutive years, following a steady increase in the number of applications that coincided with the start of the Syrian civil war in 2011.

There were 845 grants of asylum or alternative forms of protection to Syrian nationals (including dependants) at initial decision in 2017.

A total of 6,212 people were resettled in the UK in 2017 under various schemes. This included 4,832 Syrian nationals who were provided protection under the VPRS, making a total of 10,538 Syrians provided protection since the scheme began in 2014.

It all seems very acceptable to me, given a UK population of over 65 million.

[Firefly]

Dominic

No of course I'm not, I was pointing out to Devil that his figures were not for asylum seekers, as mentioned in the OP. I made no mention of numbers.

[Dominic]

If the figure was not for asylum seekers, then it is completely meaningless in the context of the question. This was why I asked my initial question.

Itisfun may as well have mentioned the temperature.

[Firefly]

Dominic

I 'Googled' foreign nationals living in the UK, the figure quoted by Itisfun, appear to be correct.

Jackie

[Dominic]

It probably is correct. Nobody is doubting how many foreign nationals there are in the UK. The point is, the vast, vast majority of them aren't asylum seekers. Yet Itisfun's monologue seems to treat them all the same:

In a study of this I learned there are already 8.7 million foreign nationals in the UK. The latest crop admit paying thousands of pounds to be landed in Europe and have in some instances allegedly escaped violence in their homeland.

Using the same logic, all the British and Russians living in Cyprus are asylum seekers.

[Firefly]

Dominic

We didn't pay thousands to be landed in Cyprus, and no we weren't asylum seekers. We had to prove that our income was sufficient to provide for all our needs whilst living in Cyprus. We also had to take up private health insurance, as we wouldn't be covered by the Cypriot Heath Authority. Rather different I think to the immigrants allowed into the UK.

[Dominic]

You are completely missing what is a very simple point regarding asylum seekers.

Now, regarding foreign nationals living in the UK, the people you have to blame form them not taking up private health insurance etc are the government and the NHS. They have been very free and easy with the tax payers' money.

But you cannot blame the foreign nationals.

[Firefly]

I was not aware that I had blamed asylum seekers, I quite agree that the government are to blame. If they hadn't been so free and easy with tax payer's money, we might not have seen the thousands coming to the UK in the first place.

[jeba]

We had to prove that our income was sufficient to provide for all our needs whilst living in Cyprus. We also had to take up private health insurance, as we wouldn't be covered by the Cypriot Heath Authority. Rather different I think to the immigrants allowed into the UK.

Don´t you have to prove that you have sufficient income in order to get a residence permit in the UK? I thought this to be the case even if you´re married to a British.
As for the second part: why did you have to take out private health insurance? I thought the NHS is paying for British expats?

[Jimgward]

Indeed, most 'immigrants' to the UK are hard-working, tax-paying people.

Whether they should have had automatic rights to the NHS, for example, is a Government decision, nothing to do with the EU and purely a British matter.

But, the vast, vast majority work and pay taxes and are not a burden, if fact, arguably we couldn't run the country without them ....

As has been the case with immigrants for generations.

[trevnhil]

We had to prove that our income was sufficient to provide for all our needs whilst living in Cyprus. We also had to take up private health insurance, as we wouldn't be covered by the Cypriot Heath Authority. Rather different I think to the immigrants allowed into the UK.

Don´t you have to prove that you have sufficient income in order to get a residence permit in the UK? I thought this to be the case even if you´re married to a British.
As for the second part: why did you have to take out private health insurance? I thought the NHS is paying for British expats?

A far as I am aware, the UK NHS only pay for retired ex pats and their spouses

[Dominic]

They certainly don't pay for my family.

[Firefly]

Jeba

The asylum seekers in the UK cannot provide proof of their income, they have none so we are led to believe. When we moved to Cyprus it was not in the EU, we had to pay for our medical treatment, that changed when Cyprus joined the EU.

Jackie