can anyone tell me...

[tonee]

How,thousands of containers arriving at UK ports from around the world daily are dealt with by customs?Also the daily freight of tons and tons of freight arriving at the UK airports?I asked this on the politics section but no answer.The Irish border? Ha!

[RattyPatty]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ptrap.html

(Ok it is the DM but I found this to be a very interesting article about how goods are dealt with now and could be in the future).

[Dominic]

You can't compare Felixstowe to the NI / Eire border though. The only way that would happen is if there was one NI crossing, but there isn't. They've completely missed that point. However, it does provide an insight into how things will run between the mainland and EU, so thank you for posting the link.

[RattyPatty]

Austin 7 those are my feelings as well but it's unlikely to happen. I don't think there is a solution. There has been a common travel agreement between Eire and the UK for nearly 100 years. Irish citizens have been free to come to travel to the UK and live, work and vote. They have never been treated as Aliens. A consequence of Brexit that maybe nobody saw. (I am pro Brexit by the way but can see that the UK leaving has opened a can of worms).

And now we have the people smugglers exploiting this. I don't know how this will be sorted and i don't think the politicians know either.

[Dominic]

Perhaps a "soft border" between Eire and NI isn't such a good idea after all...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... order.html

This is one of the biggest problems, a view like this:

"British MPs have said any route for illegal immigrants into Britain via Dublin or Ireland's ports must be closed in Ireland and in France."

This is just silly. If you want to stop people coming on to your property, you have to stop them at the entrance. You can't rely on other people to stop them for you. If the UK want stricter borders, it is up to the UK to make stricter borders, and not expect other countries to do their work for them. The other countries won't care so much about the situation anyway. Why should they? The only way you can do this properly is to do it yourself.

[RattyPatty]

Absolutely. We have already had Calais as an example for many years. The French police are not bothered if illegal immigrants manage to get under a lorry or train to Dover. It's just less people for them to deal with. If they do pick them up they just return them to the camps to try again. It is our problem when they reach our shores.

Illegal immigrants found entering the UK should be sent back to the country they left. The word would soon get around that trying to enter the UK this way will not work. Then the camps at Calais would disappear.

[Dominic]

Yes it's just a shame the UK is leaving the EU. Otherwise it could have argued that position in the EU Parliament.

[living the dream]

If I am not mistaken Liechtenstein, Albania, Switzerland, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, are non EU member states among others that border various EU Member state countries. I would imagine thousands of trucks daily pass through the above countries backwards and forwards in and out of EU member states and non EU members states with little or no issues as we never seem to hear of horrendous problems of drivers being delayed constantly or mass queues. I find it strange that this constant flow of transport can pass between these countries in mainland Europe with what appears to be relevant ease yet the EU have chosen to make an example of the Ireland Boarder issue.

I except that there is also a political issue involved in Ireland however this is yet another problem that is not insurmountable and can be resolved as it has been across Europe where troubles between various countries has been rife over the years. As far as the UK goes it handles millions of containers a year from all over the world so I am pretty sure that containers and lorries from the EU can also be handled efficiently once the various systems are put into place at various ferry crossing ports.

[living the dream]

(HIC) The EU is no nearer to imploding now than it was then. If it was, the Euro wouldn't be holding it's strength as well as it is.

If Italy, Spain, Portugal and probably a number of other countries were to go to a referendum now they would all no doubt vote to leave. I speak to and meet many individuals from the aforementioned countries and everyone to a man have stated that joining the single currency was the worst mistake in their countries history which has led to mass unemployment, crippled by debt, thousands of the young having to leave their families to find work elsewhere, every one of my nieces and nephews and many cousins have left Spain to find work elsewhere and all bar a couple are university educated as are many that have left Spain so sorry but how on earth do you come to the conclusion that the EU is doing so well.

[living the dream]

So as long as the Euro is doing well that in your mind seems to measure the strength of the EU Economy. As i said in my earlier post ask anyone living in Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal what they think of the EU and the Euro and you get a very different prospective and polls are generally way off the mark these days in any country.

As far as the EU economy goes i listened to a report whilst driving yesterday where an economist stated that EU trade to other parts of the world outside the EU has dropped significantly. In 1980 30% of the EU trade was with the rest of the world that has now dropped to 14.2% a significant decline I would say and whilst the EU trade has grown the rest of the worlds trade has grown faster.

The IMF has also stated the EU share of the world economy in USD has fallen from 34% to 22% another decline there as well - just because the euro is trading fairly well at the moment supported by a strong German economy does not make it great for the rest of the EU member states whose population are suffering significantly with abject poverty a term that the Eurocrats in their ivory towers in Brussels do not recognise whist jetting round the world in private jets etc etc etc.

[Jimgym]

Currencies are always a measure of how a country, or collection of countries, is doing - or more relevantly - is expected to do.

If Italy, Spain, Portugal and probably a number of other countries were to go to a referendum now they would all no doubt vote to leave.

"Would all no doubt vote to leave". Your opinion, right? No links to match this statement?

I see no clamouring on the part of other countries to leave the EU. Even the half-baked Italians are not stupid enough to do that. Here's my link: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/polls-show-mo ... 11252.html

Really Lloyd, so can you explain the EU's policy of quantitative easing then? I mean, if the currency and EU economies are doing so well, what is the need to continuously pump billions of euros into said economies?( edit) The Q.E. currently stands at €30 BILLION per month.

[living the dream]

Sorry HIC but I am extremely lucky that in my chosen profession I get to meet and talk to lots of interesting people from many countries and have many relatives and friends still in Spain so I do not actually feel the need to trawl through the net trying to find any piece of information that will help substantiate my views. As i said it is the opinions of people I speak to who have all stated that themselves their families friends etc would all vote to leave the EU if ever they had the opportunity to vote on it.

[Jimgward]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ptrap.html

(Ok it is the DM but I found this to be a very interesting article about how goods are dealt with now and could be in the future).

This so called journalist has written some amount of rubbish in this article. He is factually correct about the amounts etc. but completely wrong on other things.

For a start, why mention terrorism and Patten.... simply a dig...

Ulster is not Northern Ireland. A bit like Jersey is not England.

Dover deals with mainly EU goods, which pass through immediately - so same day deliveries from Europe to the UK can happen. Felixstowe cant handle same-day deliveries - especially when customs checks and VAT and other clearances are needed.

He assumes everything 'sals' through Felixstowe with nary a hitch.... I had a call this week to pay VAT on goods from China that arrived there and wouldn't be released until the VAT was paid...

The paperwork to clear customs from outside the EU is onerous, expensive and slow. Inside the EU, it's simple, inexpensive and quick.

You cant have no customs and trade union and keep quick, never mind inexpensive and simple.

Why are they building huge lorry parks at Dover? http://www.bruneleuropean.co.uk/Governm ... Dover.html
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone/ ... rk-159368/

[living the dream]

Good Point

[Jimgward]

I posted a video in a link a few weeks ago, where a haulage owner gave his views and experiences of travelling through Switzerland and with Brexit, through the channel....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5751

[living the dream]

why is it then and in your words HIC that the "half - baked Italians" which I would state is a fairy derogatory and inflammatory remark as the third largest EU Member being ruled from the shadows by the EU as the previous week’s fiasco with the proposed appointment of a finance minister shows a finance minister proposed by 2 legally elected bodies with a recognised financial background but is a eurosceptic deemed unsuitable by the Italian President a pro Eu man himself but another candidate who is very Pro-European is then proposed by the Italian President as this candidate would happily follow any EU agenda if put in control of Italy’s fiscal policies. I would surmise that had the original candidate been sworn in things in Italy would have taken a different course and the half baked italians as you call them may just have surprised the EU Overlords.

[Jimgym]

Really Lloyd, so can you explain the EU's policy of quantitative easing then? I mean, if the currency and EU economies are doing so well, what is the need to continuously pump billions of euros into said economies?( edit) The Q.E. currently stands at €30 BILLION per month.

Read the other day that QE is shortly coming to an end, at which point the Euro went up.

Many of the largest nations on earth use QE, so what?

Sorry HIC but I am extremely lucky that in my chosen profession I get to meet and talk to lots of interesting people from many countries

So do I, in my everyday business life...but talking to friends and family in different countries is hardly a measure of how a nation thinks. It might be that all of Hudswell's family and friends regard the EU and Euro a bad thing, but that does not make it so

And most Cypriots I talk to, almost to a man, think the UK's Brexit plans are just plain nutz. They cannot fathom why the UK is going through this torture...and for what?

I am talking of the EU using Q.E. not anyone else and if the currency and economies are doing so well, as you constantly go on about, why is it necessary? I mean according to you, the € and the EU are forging ahead, so why the need to pump in billions of € of printed money? Perhaps because all is not as rosy as those who admire the Emperors new clothes would have us believe? Shock horror!
Most people I talk to cannot believe why there are people who think it's good idea to remain in the EU. I could go on endlessly with useless anecdotes but they serve no purpose whatsoever, rather in the mode of a man down the pub once said etc. etc.

[kingfisher]

Jimgym, I admire your persistence, but with respect, you are casting pearl before the swine, which is a waste of your barley and only makes the pigs fatter and honk louder.
On the occasions when I now visit the politics forum, I can barely contain my indifference.
Plato had it:” Wise men speak because they have something to say: fools because they have to say something”

[Jimgym]

QE was the same medicine I mean according to you, the € and the EU are forging ahead, so why the need to pump in billions of € of printed money?

I'll say this once more (in simple terms) Jimgym, QE has in recent times been used as a remedial measure by Japan, the USA and the UK (yes, the UK!)...so why should it be so bad for the EU to use it?

If Europe's economies were in the dire straits you suggest they are, why does the Euro continue to maintain it's strength?

And if the Brexit outcome for the UK is likely to be so beneficial, why has the pound fallen from over €1.40 pre-referedum to (typically) 1.14 now?

And I shall say it, once again, in very simple terms, if according to you, the EU and € are doing so well, why on earth are they still using Q.E. to the tune of €30 BILLION per month? Before you repeat what has been said earlier, I do know the ECB are talking of stopping it, but it is still ongoing. For such apparently robust economies why is it still necessary? Perhaps this explains the strength of €, shock horror!

Britain and the USA used Q.E. precisely because their economies were in big trouble.

Surely with well over a TRILLION € spent already things should be a lot better. I could go on about who will ultimately pay the price but have a feeling I am back to Emperors new clothes.

[Jimgym]

Jimgym, I admire your persistence, but with respect, you are casting pearl before the swine, which is a waste of your barley and only makes the pigs fatter and honk louder.
On the occasions when I now visit the politics forum, I can barely contain my indifference.
Plato had it:” Wise men speak because they have something to say: fools because they have to say something”

Thank you Kingfisher. I know what you mean!