Brexit

[Dominic]

These are my views on Brexit:

I am against it, I think the UK would be better off in Europe, and that Europe would be better off with UK as a member.

However, the vote went with leave, and that vote should be respected. What leaving constitutes is another matter entirely. Personally I would prefer a soft Brexit, but if we end up with a hard Brexit we end up with a hard Brexit.

In order for Brexit to work, the whole country needs to get behind it, even those, like me, who think it is a bad idea. If you are in a car and you disagree with the chosen destination, trying to yank the steering wheel away will never end well.

Likewise, the people tho voted leave need to accept that the remainers are less likely to go along with Brexit if it is rubbed in their noses. There are no longer winners or losers in this debate. It is over. All that remains is Brexit itself...

[keving]

What worries me is that we're going to get a White Paper on Brexit.

We already know that Brexit means Brexit so why do we need 100,000 words in a White Paper telling us what Brexit means? It will only serve to confuse surely?

[keving]

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[Dominic]

Well, compare it to a divorce I guess. You know you want the divorce but there is still a load of paperwork involved.

[keving]

When I got divorced I thought it would be plain sailing, but when I saw the numbers I had second thoughts ...

[Lynsab]

Divorce can be a very messy business, and ill feelings and dividing the spoils carry on for years, my stepdaughter as a psychiatric nurse with youngsters sees the damage left behind first hand.....it's never good..

But I do agree with your thoughts Dominic but feel a hard brexit won't be necessary in the end...we will leave, but not as expected IMO...

As Steve SJD said on another thread, I don't think immigration will change that much in the coming years...neither I hope will our stance on humanitarian needs in the world..

We are a great country we have had some iffy leadership, but generally we are tolerant, generous well educated and proud...wether I believe this is the way to go now is irrelevant ( I don't ) it's now a case of all these qualities coming to the fore and dealing with what's coming towards us...I or anyone else for that matter have no certainty of the future of the uk.

But personally as a retired youngster living in the uk with a guaranteed income, waiting to sell up in Cyprus, our once dream home...I feel it won't touch us so much, even though my husband (of 25 years in a few weeks ) is an immigrant himself from the 70's we just get on with life, and realise that other things much bigger and uncontrollable can affect your days far more than politics...we are lucky mostly to treat everyday as a weekend..but bad health from nowhere can shoot you down in a instant...

I'm interested in politics, and like to join debates..

Today on the news here, it's all about The Trump...it's about more petitions, it's about the PMs stance with the US....

The world in my view is slightly bonkers atm...but it's interesting...

[panoscouse]

Hard Brexit, soft Brexit?

Isn't it a bit like toothache?

You know you have to go to the dentist to stop the pain so just do it.

Sooner it's done the better rather than stretch it out I feel.
Then we can get back to a decent exchange rate.

[Dominic]

Continuing the dental analogy, the referendum was a vote to have the tooth extracted, rather than filled. They now need to know who is going to extract the tooth, how they will extract it, whether we can afford decent painkillers, and what will fill the hole left.

[Wallace]

I also voted no, but am changing my views.
The U.K. Is sick of being dictated to by unelected Eurocrats.
Hard Brexit may be the only option, we can't wait 10 years to withdraw from the EU.
We need to suffer the pain anaesthetic free, and take the painkillers afterwards.

[Dominic]

Wallace, what are your thoughts on Policy Review Committees? Don't they play a similar roll to the European Commission? IE they decide on policies which the elected MPs then rubber stamp.

[Wallace]

They do so in the best interests of the U.K., not Europe.
When in business I was advised on the best interests of my employees, which obviously took account of the bigger picture, but within the pictures frame.

[Dominic]

But they aren't elected. I can see why you could be against the EU Commission, for acting in the interests of Europe as a whole rather than the UK, but I can't see why the fact that they are unelected matters. Nobody complains that the Policy Review Committees aren't elected by the public.

[Wallace]

Good point Dominic, but the EU commission are dominating a continent, not a country, with little accountability on a country by country basis. The effect on less powerful countries can be devastating. Am not an advocate of home rule, IE Scotland, but I do advocate containable rule.

[Dominic]

So do you see the EU as an attempt at a United States of Europe?

[ApusApus]

So do you see the EU as an attempt at a United States of Europe?

No an FSoE actually!


Shane

[Wallace]

So do you see the EU as an attempt at a United States of Europe?

Yes.

[Jim B]

I personally believe voting to leave was the worst decision made by the British public in my lifetime and as HIC said why would I support something totally against my beliefs to show unity with people I totally disagree with.

Jim

[Wallace]

I personally believe voting to leave was the worst decision made by the British public in my lifetime and as HIC said why would I support something totally against my beliefs to show unity with people I totally disagree with.

Jim

Off course you have every right to disagree Jim.
But it is a decision that we will all have to learn to live with.

[Jim B]

I can live with it Wallace but I don't have to accept it.

Jim

[Wallace]

It is the big Unknown, many people voted out based on the wrong information, IE, the NHS would gain millions on money spent on the EU. Many unemployed/ low paid voted out purely because of their circumstances. The final result was a shock to me (and you by the sound of it) The face of politics will never be the same.
It will be interesting to see what happens this year with so many European countries going to the poles.