Trump's State of the Union Speech

[exodus]

I listened to this live this morning. Brilliant, like he said when he was elected he was going to sort out the political elite club in DC etc, and sort out the Economy, Tax system, Health care, Immigration, and so on.
How refreshing to have a man of action, a business man, at the USA helm.
More please!
Amos.

[clive of payia]

The EU will have taken note of Trump's reference to his forth coming free and reciprocal trading arrangements which means the EU's Single and very protective Market has to be liberalized to trade with the USA. This will entail a Treaty Change which many of the existing 28 countries of the EU will not endorse. End of Single Market, end of EU.

[exodus]

The EU will have taken note of Trump's reference to his forth coming free and reciprocal trading arrangements which means the EU's Single and very protective Market has to be liberalized to trade with the USA. This will entail a Treaty Change which many of the existing 28 countries of the EU will not endorse. End of Single Market, end of EU.

R.I.P.!
Amos.

[Jimgward]

Amos, you still appear to ignore your hero Trump's views as a misogynist, racist, extreme capitalist and indeed, anti-semite... because he endorsed the US embassy in Jerusalem.... Those GOP blinkers are hiding a lot....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act ... df7b261468

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premiu ... -1.5437419

[PhotoLady]

He is one president I would gladly welcome a successful assassination upon.... I don't believe I am the only one with these black thoughts.

[exodus]

Amos, you still appear to ignore your hero Trump's views as a misogynist, racist, extreme capitalist and indeed, anti-semite... because he endorsed the US embassy in Jerusalem.... Those GOP blinkers are hiding a lot....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act ... df7b261468

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premiu ... -1.5437419

Well both you and PhotoLady exhibit unjustified and unsubstantiated anti-Trump obsession.
I mean. for example, prove to us he is a racist.
Amos.

[WHL]

Amos, you still appear to ignore your hero Trump's views as a misogynist, racist, extreme capitalist and indeed, anti-semite... because he endorsed the US embassy in Jerusalem.... Those GOP blinkers are hiding a lot....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act ... df7b261468

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premiu ... -1.5437419

Well both you and PhotoLady exhibit unjustified and unsubstantiated anti-Trump obsession.
I mean. for example, prove to us he is a racist. now thats funny
Amos.

[Jimgward]

There’s evidence of Trump in his business days, marking CVs when interviewing people.... to note their colour and creed!

[exodus]

There’s evidence of Trump in his business days, marking CVs when interviewing people.... to note their colour and creed!

Humbug. That does not make him a racist.
Amos.

[Poppy]

I have to agree with Amos here. Admittedly some time ago but I seem to remember that any job application always asked your nationality,ethnicity and religion.I am not saying it was right but it happened. I even remember one potential employer asking me if I had any children or intended to have any!!!

[Dominic]

Some time ago they used to have signs saying "No blacks, No Irish, No Dogs". You don't get that any more, precisely because it was racist. Similarly, people no longer ask for ethnicity etc on CVs because it is about as overtly racist as you can get. You are filtering based on race. You may not be insulting people, or burning crosses, but you are certainly being racist. The fact that it no longer happens is obviously a good thing. Similarly, there is no segregation on buses, or separate drinking fountains.

I guess it is all about timelines. If Trump was marking CVs 30 years ago, then as Poppy says, so was everybody else. You cannot accuse one person of doing exactly the same as everybody else. If he was marking them 3 years ago, then that is a different story.

[exodus]

Some time ago they used to have signs saying "No blacks, No Irish, No Dogs". You don't get that any more, precisely because it was racist. Similarly, people no longer ask for ethnicity etc on CVs because it is about as overtly racist as you can get. You are filtering based on race. You may not be insulting people, or burning crosses, but you are certainly being racist. The fact that it no longer happens is obviously a good thing. Similarly, there is no segregation on buses, or separate drinking fountains.

I guess it is all about timelines. If Trump was marking CVs 30 years ago, then as Poppy says, so was everybody else. You cannot accuse one person of doing exactly the same as everybody else. If he was marking them 3 years ago, then that is a different story.

I rest my case.
Amos.

[Dominic]

So, when was he marking CVs?

I couldn't find it in this list:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/e ... story-race

[jeba]

Apologies for diverting this thread but this discussion about racism reminds me of a recent complaint by human rights organisations about German police "racially profiling" when checking ID´s etc. In my view it would be a waste of police resources if they were just as likely to ask e. g. my octogenarian white and white-haired mother to prove that she isn´t an illegal immigrant as they´d be likely to ask a black skinned twen. I deem this justifiedly driving up efficiency rather than racism. I understand that it´s unconveniant for people of colour but what can you do? It´s simply a fact of life that chances are higher that you´re less likely to be an illegal immigrant if you look like the average local.

[Jimgward]

Apologies, I mixed up job applications with rental applicants.... memory man - not!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... f92bd36c6b

[Jimgward]

While the UK was never as bad as the US, in terms of discrimination, it has always had obvious examples, as Dominic has pointed out, that were common signs in the 40's and 50's.... When my father returned from the war, he faced signs of "No Catholics need apply" - even later in the 70's, my brother was the first Catholic apprentice at a huge US companies factory - General Motors, or Terex as it became. I sat in interviews in the mid 70's and was asked "What school did you go to?" - as way to religiously discriminate.

Racial undertones and religious undertones still exist in the UK. Particularly now towards Muslims. So, while the UK is very open, as far as attitudes, compared to then, it still has dangerous and bigoted attitudes. Eastern Europe (and Cyprus) is particularly bad towards gays and blacks. The middle-east towards blacks, gays Jews and many others. All countries have discriminatory attitudes. Amos, Israels is well known as anti-gay and ant-black.

We are improving overall, but are a long way from being truly accepting of people for who they are, not what they are.

[jeba]

Some time ago they used to have signs saying "No blacks, No Irish, No Dogs". You don't get that any more, precisely because it was racist.

Is "Irish" a race?

[jeba]

End of Single Market, end of EU.

Hope you won't mind me reminding you of these words in a few years time.

I've been on these forums long enough to remember McIngy and KG making the same proclamations in 2013. Gosh, all of 5 years ago!

Wrong thread?

[Dominic]

Some time ago they used to have signs saying "No blacks, No Irish, No Dogs". You don't get that any more, precisely because it was racist.

Is "Irish" a race?

Yes:

race2
reɪs/Submit
noun
noun: race; plural noun: races
each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
"people of all races, colours, and creeds"
synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, (ethnic) origin
"the school has pupils of many different races"
the fact or condition of belonging to a racial division or group; the qualities or characteristics associated with this.
synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, (ethnic) origin
"the school has pupils of many different races"
a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.
"we Scots were a bloodthirsty race then"
synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, (ethnic) origin More
a group or set of people or things with a common feature or features.
"some male firefighters still regarded women as a race apart"
synonyms: group, type, sort, class, kind, variety, ilk, genre, cast, style, brand, vintage, order, breed, species, generation
"a new race of novelists had appeared"
BIOLOGY
a population within a species that is distinct in some way, especially a subspecies.
"people have killed so many tigers that two races are probably extinct"
(in non-technical use) each of the major divisions of living creatures.
"a member of the human race"
literary
a group of people descended from a common ancestor.
"a prince of the race of Solomon"
synonyms: family, line, lineage, house, dynasty, stock, blood, folk, clan, tribe; More
archaic
ancestry.
"two coursers of ethereal race"

[jeba]

Some time ago they used to have signs saying "No blacks, No Irish, No Dogs". You don't get that any more, precisely because it was racist.

Is "Irish" a race?

Yes:

race2
reɪs/Submit
noun
noun: race; plural noun: races
each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
"people of all races, colours, and creeds"
synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, (ethnic) origin
"the school has pupils of many different races"
the fact or condition of belonging to a racial division or group; the qualities or characteristics associated with this.
synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, (ethnic) origin
"the school has pupils of many different races"
a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.
"we Scots were a bloodthirsty race then"
synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, (ethnic) origin More
a group or set of people or things with a common feature or features.
"some male firefighters still regarded women as a race apart"
synonyms: group, type, sort, class, kind, variety, ilk, genre, cast, style, brand, vintage, order, breed, species, generation
"a new race of novelists had appeared"
BIOLOGY
a population within a species that is distinct in some way, especially a subspecies.
"people have killed so many tigers that two races are probably extinct"
(in non-technical use) each of the major divisions of living creatures.
"a member of the human race"
literary
a group of people descended from a common ancestor.
"a prince of the race of Solomon"
synonyms: family, line, lineage, house, dynasty, stock, blood, folk, clan, tribe; More
archaic
ancestry.
"two coursers of ethereal race"

Where is that from? In my book it´s nonsense. How can e. g.anyone say that family or dynasty are synonyms of race? I learnt at school that races are subsets of a species the members of which can have propagable descendants and there are 4 human races. For me this hasn´t changed. Apart from that I doubt that physical characteristics would identify an Irish from e. g. a Brit.