As the UK laws are being rewritten - we've ruined 193 years of the RSPCA

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As the UK laws are being rewritten - we've ruined 193 years of the RSPCA

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I'm so damn mad about this! :evil:
It looks like the UK will join the likes of Cyprus and their views on animal pain and emotion :-(

MPs have voted to reject the inclusion of animal sentience – the admission that animals feel emotion and pain – into the EU Withdrawal Bill.

The move has been criticised by animal rights activists, who say the vote undermines environment secretary Michael Gove’s pledge to prioritise animal rights during Brexit.

The majority of animal welfare legislation comes from the EU. The UK Government is tasked with adopting EU laws directly after March 2019 but has dismissed animal sentience.


How it happened - video: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/ ... it-debate/

Wildlife photographer Richard Bowler has now launched an online petition against the vote. He posted on Facebook: “So MP’s have voted and in their wisdom, animals can no longer feel pain or emotions. “It really beggars belief that in this day and age, this shower of a government no longer recognises animals as sentient beings. “None of them could have had a pet dog, greet them when they come home. But it’s not just domestic animals that show love and affection.”

The link for that petition is here: https://action.ciwf.org.uk/ea-action/ac ... d=05bb9ddb

If you still have your vote registered as being in the UK, please do the right thing or forever keep the knowledge you did nothing to try and stop it.
Look at your domestic pets, the sheep and cows in the field and honestly say to yourself they do not feel love, affection, pain, heat or cold


THESE ARE THE MPs who voted the sentient beings part of the bill out and declared that animals have no feelings or emotions and so are incapable of suffering.
Is your MP on this list?
Contact them and tell them what you think!
Adams, Nigel
Afolami, Bim
Afriyie, Adam
Aldous, Peter
Allan, Lucy
Allen, Heidi
Andrew, Stuart
Argar, Edward
Atkins, Victoria
Bacon, Mr Richard
Badenoch, Mrs Kemi
Baker, Mr Steve
Baldwin, Harriett
Barclay, Stephen
Baron, Mr John
Bebb, Guto
Bellingham, Sir Henry
Benyon, rh Richard
Beresford, Sir Paul
Berry, Jake
Blackman, Bob
Blunt, Crispin
Boles, Nick
Bone, Mr Peter
Bottomley, Sir Peter
Bowie, Andrew
Bradley, Ben
Bradley, rh Karen
Brady, Mr Graham
Brereton, Jack
Bridgen, Andrew
Brine, Steve
Brokenshire, rh James
Bruce, Fiona
Buckland, Robert
Burghart, Alex
Burns, Conor
Burt, rh Alistair
Cairns, rh Alun
Cartlidge, James
Cash, Sir William
Caulfield, Maria
Chalk, Alex
Chishti, Rehman
Chope, Mr Christopher
Churchill, Jo
Clark, Colin
Clark, rh Greg
Clarke, rh Mr Kenneth
Clarke, Mr Simon
Cleverly, James
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Coffey, Dr Thérèse
Collins, Damian
Costa, Alberto
Courts, Robert
Cox, Mr Geoffrey
Crabb, rh Stephen
Crouch, Tracey
Davies, Chris
Davies, David T. C.
Davies, Glyn
Davies, Mims
Davies, Philip
Davis, rh Mr David
Dinenage, Caroline
Djanogly, Mr Jonathan
Docherty, Leo
Dodds, rh Nigel
Donaldson, rh Sir Jeffrey M.
Donelan, Michelle
Dorries, Ms Nadine
Double, Steve
Dowden, Oliver
Doyle-Price, Jackie
Drax, Richard
Duddridge, James
Duguid, David
Duncan, rh Sir Alan
Duncan Smith, rh Mr Iain
Dunne, Mr Philip
Ellis, Michael
Ellwood, rh Mr Tobias
Eustice, George
Evans, Mr Nigel
Evennett, rh David
Fabricant, Michael
Fernandes, Suella
Field, rh Mark
Ford, Vicky
Foster, Kevin
Fox, rh Dr Liam
Francois, rh Mr Mark
Frazer, Lucy
Freeman, George
Freer, Mike
Fysh, Mr Marcus
Gale, Sir Roger
Garnier, Mark
Gauke, rh Mr David
Ghani, Ms Nusrat
Gibb, rh Nick
Gillan, rh Mrs Cheryl
Girvan, Paul
Glen, John
Goldsmith, Zac
Goodwill, Mr Robert
Gove, rh Michael
Graham, Luke
Graham, Richard
Grant, Bill
Grant, Mrs Helen
Gray, James
Grayling, rh Chris
Green, Chris
Green, rh Damian
Greening, rh Justine
Grieve, rh Mr Dominic
Griffiths, Andrew
Gyimah, Mr Sam
Hair, Kirstene
Halfon, rh Robert
Hall, Luke
Hammond, rh Mr Philip
Hammond, Stephen
Hancock, rh Matt
Hands, rh Greg
Harper, rh Mr Mark
Harrington, Richard
Harris, Rebecca
Harrison, Trudy
Hart, Simon
Hayes, rh Mr John
Heald, rh Sir Oliver
Heappey, James
Heaton-Harris, Chris
Heaton-Jones, Peter
Henderson, Gordon
Hinds, Damian
Hoare, Simon
Hollingbery, George
Hollinrake, Kevin
Hollobone, Mr Philip
Holloway, Adam
Howell, John
Huddleston, Nigel
Hughes, Eddie
Hunt, rh Mr Jeremy
Hurd, Mr Nick
Jack, Mr Alister
James, Margot
Javid, rh Sajid
Jayawardena, Mr Ranil
Jenkin, Mr Bernard
Jenrick, Robert
Johnson, rh Boris
Johnson, Dr Caroline
Johnson, Gareth
Johnson, Joseph
Jones, Andrew
Jones, rh Mr David
Jones, Mr Marcus
Kawczynski, Daniel
Keegan, Gillian
Kennedy, Seema
Kerr, Stephen
Knight, rh Sir Greg
Knight, Julian
Kwarteng, Kwasi
Lamont, John
Lancaster, Mark
Latham, Mrs Pauline
Leadsom, rh Andrea
Lee, Dr Phillip
Lefroy, Jeremy
Leigh, Sir Edward
Letwin, rh Sir Oliver
Lewer, Andrew
Lewis, rh Brandon
Lewis, rh Dr Julian
Liddell-Grainger, Mr Ian
Lidington, rh Mr David
Little Pengelly, Emma
Lopez, Julia
Lopresti, Jack
Lord, Mr Jonathan
Loughton, Tim
Mackinlay, Craig
Maclean, Rachel
Main, Mrs Anne
Mak, Alan
Malthouse, Kit
Mann, Scott
Masterton, Paul
Maynard, Paul
McLoughlin, rh Sir Patrick
McPartland, Stephen
McVey, rh Ms Esther
Menzies, Mark
Mercer, Johnny
Merriman, Huw
Metcalfe, Stephen
Miller, rh Mrs Maria
Milling, Amanda
Mills, Nigel
Milton, rh Anne
Mitchell, rh Mr Andrew
Moore, Damien
Mordaunt, Penny
Morgan, rh Nicky
Morris, Anne Marie
Morris, David
Morris, James
Morton, Wendy
Mundell, rh David
Murray, Mrs Sheryll
Murrison, Dr Andrew
Neill, Robert
Newton, Sarah
Nokes, Caroline
Norman, Jesse
O'Brien, Neil
Offord, Dr Matthew
Opperman, Guy
Paisley, Ian
Parish, Neil
Patel, rh Priti
Paterson, rh Mr Owen
Pawsey, Mark
Penning, rh Sir Mike
Penrose, John
Percy, Andrew
Perry, Claire
Philp, Chris
Pincher, Christopher
Pow, Rebecca
Prentis, Victoria
Prisk, Mr Mark
Pritchard, Mark
Pursglove, Tom
Quin, Jeremy
Quince, Will
Raab, Dominic
Redwood, rh John
Rees-Mogg, Mr Jacob
Robertson, Mr Laurence
Robinson, Gavin
Robinson, Mary
Rosindell, Andrew
Ross, Douglas
Rowley, Lee
Rudd, rh Amber
Rutley, David
Sandbach, Antoinette
Scully, Paul
Seely, Mr Bob
Selous, Andrew
Shannon, Jim
Shapps, rh Grant
Sharma, Alok
Shelbrooke, Alec
Simpson, David
Simpson, rh Mr Keith
Skidmore, Chris
Smith, Chloe
Smith, Henry
Smith, rh Julian
Smith, Royston
Soames, rh Sir Nicholas
Soubry, rh Anna
Spelman, rh Dame Caroline
Spencer, Mark
Stephenson, Andrew
Stevenson, John
Stewart, Bob
Stewart, Iain
Stewart, Rory
Stride, rh Mel
Stuart, Graham
Sturdy, Julian
Sunak, Rishi
Swayne, rh Sir Desmond
Swire, rh Sir Hugo
Syms, Sir Robert
Thomas, Derek
Thomson, Ross
Throup, Maggie
Tolhurst, Kelly
Tomlinson, Justin
Tomlinson, Michael
Tracey, Craig
Tredinnick, David
Trevelyan, Mrs Anne-Marie
Truss, rh Elizabeth
Tugendhat, Tom
Vaizey, rh Mr Edward
Vara, Mr Shailesh
Vickers, Martin
Villiers, rh Theresa
Walker, Mr Charles
Walker, Mr Robin
Wallace, rh Mr Ben
Warburton, David
Warman, Matt
Watling, Giles
Whately, Helen
Whittingdale, rh Mr John
Williamson, rh Gavin
Wilson, Sammy
Wood, Mike
Wragg, Mr William
Wright, rh Jeremy
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There's also another petition here:
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/ ... rawal-bill
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Jules

Disgusting and disgraceful, I'm ashamed to be represented by people who have no care for animals at all. IF enough people sign the petition, maybe we have a chance to right a terrible wrong. I have signed and posted it to my FB page. We have to stand together on this NOW.

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Thank you Jackie... this has all been kept very quiet.
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Jen I can't get your link to open however it appears that Michael Gove has confirmed that animals are of course sentient beings and this will be confirmed in legislation. Additionally , apparently there will be additional safeguards for animal welfare over and above the EU regulations. A bit more scaremongering me thinks re BREXIT>
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Sorry about that, here are the main points of the article.


A Brexit minister has hit out at "fake news" as the Government attempts to clarify its stance on animal welfare laws.

Steve Baker, who works in the Department for Exiting the EU, joined other Tory MPs in criticising the reporting of last week's vote on key Brexit legislation.

By defeating a proposed amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill, it had been claimed Conservatives had voted to deny animals feel pain or emotions.

Green Party leader Caroline Lucas had tried to include a new clause to the legislation to allow the transfer of EU rules into UK laws, so that animals continue to be recognised as sentient beings under domestic legislation.

The Government argued animals are already classed as sentient beings in existing legislation and that including the proposed clause in the EU Withdrawal Bill would lead to "legal uncertainty".
But a string of celebrities reacted with fury to the Government's defeat of the amendment.

TV presenter Ben Fogle claimed the vote showed 313 MPs "don't care" how animals are treated, while comedian Sue Perkins branded the Government "shameful b*****ds" who were denying animal sentience.

Both shared online newspaper reports headlined "MPs voted 'that animals cannot feel pain or emotions'".

Mr Baker has since asked whether another report rejecting the claims, by the Guido Fawkes blog, will prove similarly popular online.

He posted on Twitter: "Will this exposé of the animal sentience fake news story go viral? It should."

The Brexit minister spoke out after Environment Secretary Michael Gove made a written statement to Parliament seeking to clarify the Government's stance.

He said: "It has been suggested that the vote last week on New Clause 30 of the EU Withdrawal Bill somehow signalled a weakening in the protection of animals - that is wrong.

"Voting against the amendment was not a vote against the idea that animals are sentient and feel pain - that is a misconception."
Branding the defeated EU Withdrawal Bill amendment "faulty", Mr Gove added: "This Government will ensure that any necessary changes required to UK law are made in a rigorous and comprehensive way to ensure animal sentience is recognised after we leave the EU.

"The Withdrawal Bill is not the right place to address this, however we are considering the right legislative vehicle."

But Labour's shadow environment secretary Sue Hayman branded Mr Gove's statement "totally inadequate", adding: "If the Government are serious about animal welfare, they should reverse their decision and amend the EU Withdrawal Bill without further delay."

The RSPCA welcomed Mr Gove's reassurance on animal welfare, but also called for a specific commitment to animal sentience to be added to the Brexit legislation.

Mr Fogle, a UN patron of the wilderness, posted on Twitter that he is "happy to apologise and add clarity" about his previous comments on the issue, but "will criticise the confusion that pervaded around 'assumed' sentience within the bill".

"I don't believe the Government communicated well enough," he added.
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Maybe it's no bad thing, as the petition will remind the Government of the strength of feeling we have as animal lovers, albeit not necessary in the end.

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I agree Jackie but it is worrying the degree of hysteria that is happening from mis reporting or should I say misleading reporting from both the Opposition and the Media
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I have said it before and I will say it again if anyone wishes to know exactly what was debated and who said what in Parliament on any topic please, please read Hansard it is a verbatim transcript not a slanted version of the facts by newspapers of whatever persuasion or so called social media.

The "Independent" managed to get access to the names of those MPs who voted against the Bill thus how comes it did not manage to get the facts correct at the same time?

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Good advice Rita.
Incidentally, The “Independent” is owned by Russian ex-KGB officer, oligarch, and former billionaire Alexander Lebedev. He got both the Independent and the Sunday Independent for £1, which is more than I’d have paid. His son Evgeny owns the London Evening Standard [which is free], although he paid £1 for the paper; no wonder the Lebedev dynasty is getting poorer!
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