Good News for Ex Pat Pensioners!

[Poppy]

JimB I don't know whether you really don't get my point or you are being deliberately obtuse - the latter I suspect.
Of course we were already in receipt of reciprocal health care but may I point out that it was the remainers posting doom and gloom who were predicting that this could be lost. It hasn't been lost. Both sides have agreed it in principal. Good News!

[PhotoLady]

I'll believe it all when I see it.....

[Jim B]

And as I keep saying , it hasn't been gained either as it still has to go to a vote by the 27 members anyone of which could veto a benefit we already possess by being in the EU so your "Good News" is a bit premature.

In law, an agreement in principle is a stepping stone to a contract. Such agreements with regard to the principle are usually considered fair and equitable. Even if not all details are known, an agreement in principle may, for example, outline a schedule of royalties.

Jim

[Royal]

Good News!

Good news indeed Poppy. It seems, however, that good news is something Remainers don't want to hear. Just doom and gloom because that's what they predicted Brexit would bring. Anything to the contrary is either not answered or scorned.

C'est la vie!

[Poppy]

Ok then perhaps someone can enlighten me! Are you saying Jim B that anything that is negotiated re BREXIT and achieves agreement in principal then has to be put to all 27 members of the EU and if just one of those members disagrees then it has to go back to the drawing board? Surely not!

[Royal]

No Poppy, that is not the case, as Jim B probably knows, but as always, omits details which don't suit from his posts.

The final agreement may be finally concluded by a 'qualified majority' of the European Council (headed by Juncker) after obtaining the consent of the European Paliament. There is no veto in this matter as claimed by Jim B. Project Fear II continues apace...

[Poppy]

Thank you Royal.

[Jim B]

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-veto-brexit-deal/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37396805
https://euobserver.com/uk-referendum/138470
http://www.intelligencerpost.com/eu-par ... -citizens/

You are just playing semantics with my posts Royal. I believe the first link confirms what I stated; no Project Fear II from me.

Jim

[Poppy]

Thanks for posting those links Jim . However it seems from the link that for something like the agreement re reciprocal health care that we were discussing then a majority vote only would suffice?

[Jim B]

Shelagh

Below is taken from the first link and as you rightly say no individual country can veto the UK leaving the EU but they can veto any new treaty establishing Britain’s new relationship with the EU of which reciprocal health service would be one; well that's how I understand it.

Claim
Individual EU countries could veto a deal on the UK leaving the EU.

Conclusion
Individual countries can’t veto a treaty governing the UK’s withdrawal from the EU, but could veto a treaty establishing Britain’s new relationship with the EU.

Jim

[Poppy]

You may well be right Jim but I read it that the probable unanimous vote would refer to TRADE treatys not decisions on future Healthcare etc.

No doubt we shall see in due course.

[Pete G]

The EU can only set rules for the healthcare provisions and obligations enjoyed between EU members, the same holds true for residency rights.

Each member state is totally free to make whatever healthcare provision it decides to make for non EU nationals

Unfortunately for the UKs negotiating position, the NHS have always made it clear that they refuse to check that the people who receive care are valid recipients of free care, and so the status of EU nationals in a non-EU UK will remain functionally the same, thus removing the pressure for individual EU countries to maintain or make new reciprocal agreements.

I realise that, as a low-information Bexiteer one is obliged to blame the EU for everything, but in this case I am obliged to point out that this is a wholly self-inflicted injury, or at the very least an injury inflicted on the UK by the NHS, leveraging its change of status in the UK from 'public service' to 'religion' and therefore beyond any constraints imposed by mere mortals

[ApusApus]

It's funny how you missed out the rest of my post ............ but then again not really as you always seem to cherry pick the bits that suit your depressingly negative view of the scenario!


Shane

[Royal]

Well Royal, here's another possible and rather frightening downside of Brexit to add to the above. We all anecdotally know how banks behave, so this threat could prove to be very real. There are implications for those of us who hold UK bank accounts, UK credit cards and other facilities.

Another POSSIBLE and FRIGHTENING downside, Lloyd? Nearly every single post you have made about Brexit contains words like POSSIBLE, MAYBE, PREDICTED, PERHAPS, CONCEIVABLE etc and of course all are designed to inject fright or fear of leaving. It’s getting a little tiring now. As far as the substance of the story you quoted is concerned - of course lending money to an EU citizen just before Brexit, when the post Brexit deal isn't yet known is not a safe bet. Similarly, I wouldn't expect the BoC to consider UK Expats looking to borrow money as a ‘safe bet’. It's just not good business, although you had the temerity to say immediately before reporting this “Gosh, you Brexiteers are slow on the uptake...you wouldn't last 5 minutes in business!”

Maybe look in the mirror, Lloyd...

[Poppy]

I have to say that I find it rather strange that people who have absolutely no intention of ever returning to the UK still want their UK Bank Accounts and credit cards. I can understand when people are not sure that they would retain this facility and certainly wish that we had but when people take every opportunity of finding fault with the UK and say they will never return why bother? Are there still some good things pertaining to the UK after all?

[Jimgym]

Well Royal, here's another possible and rather frightening downside of Brexit to add to the above. We all anecdotally know how banks behave, so this threat could prove to be very real. There are implications for those of us who hold UK bank accounts, UK credit cards and other facilities.

Another POSSIBLE and FRIGHTENING downside, Lloyd? Nearly every single post you have made about Brexit contains words like POSSIBLE, MAYBE, PREDICTED, PERHAPS, CONCEIVABLE etc and of course all are designed to inject fright or fear of leaving. It’s getting a little tiring now. As far as the substance of the story you quoted is concerned - of course lending money to an EU citizen just before Brexit, when the post Brexit deal isn't yet known is not a safe bet. Similarly, I wouldn't expect the BoC to consider UK Expats looking to borrow money as a ‘safe bet’. It's just not good business, although you had the temerity to say immediately before reporting this “Gosh, you Brexiteers are slow on the uptake...you wouldn't last 5 minutes in business!”

Maybe look in the mirror, Lloyd...

My partner and I must have done something very wrong then as we lasted a lot longer than 5 minutes and were very successful, hence retiring very early! Just saying....

[smudger]

"My partner and I must have done something very wrong then as we lasted a lot longer than 5 minutes and were very successful, hence retiring very early! Just saying.... :"

Jimgym, not sure how long you've been out here but I seem to have known you almost all of the time I've been here which is 11 years, and I know you are a heckuva lot younger than me, so I know your early retirement was damned early! Well done the pair of you!
Whilst HIC is errrrrmmmmmmm - still working??

[Jimgym]

Thanks Smudger, yes it was an early one! Hope you are well, must pop in and see you at bookshop soon x

[Uncle D]

Whilst HIC is errrrrmmmmmmm - still working??

What a nasty comment

[smudger]

Uncle d you're clearly missing the banter here. I happen to know with absolute certainty that HIC works because he enjoys it! And also, given some of the acerbic comments he posts here to the Brexiteers, he certainly doesn't need sympathy!!