Britain faces up to Brexit (source: Economist)

[Royal]

Well, I guess this person knows what he is talking about:

Why?

The first word of the headline is a bit of a giveaway - FORMER British EU negotiator.

He was just one of many ‘diplomats’ to the EU and served in this capacity for just four years from 2010 to 2014. So good was he as a negotiator to the EU that the majority of the country still voted to leave the institution.

He also describes HIMSELF as an ‘expert’. I note that HIC didn't report that bit, but he said of himself:

“This expert believes that this needs to be stopped, and soon. Then again, we already know they don’t like experts”.

Now I can't speak for anyone else, but I have an inherent distrust (and scorn, if truth be known) for anyone who describes themselves as an ‘expert’.

It very much seems to me that he's just another Remainer/Remoaner/Remainiac. No wonder HIC (or Lloyd ) seized on this obscure article about an obscure person who shares his view that the majority of the country is wrong and he is right.

Give it up!

[Firefly]

It seems he's a legend in his own mind. How can anyone be an 'expert' on something that hasn't happened ?

Jackie

[Royal]

Lloyd,

All the links and 'headlines' you posted above have one thing in common.

They appear to all predict the future after Brexit.

No one is able to do that.

How many times do you have to be reminded?

BREXIT HASNT HAPPENED YET

We are still in the EU and will be for at least another 18 months.

Once we are out of the EU, not subject to the ECJ, not paying billions to keep the wasteful EU machine functioning and able to make our own trade deals, there will be good news in abundance.

Patience my dear chap - patience...

[kingfisher]

Welcome back Lloyd. All except a couple of your swathe of nocturnal prognostications are taken from Yahoo.
Now Yahoo regurgitates any anti-brexit tosh it can dig up, re-hashed by a couple of the most inept pseudo-journalists scribbling.
If you pay nothing, you get nothing. If you want free rubbish (propaganda), carry on with Yahoo, BBC, Guardian Independent etc. If, on the other hand, you want unbiased news, you are going to have to pay for it. Might I suggest you try The Wall St. Journal, Telegraph, AP News? The best investment you'll ever make!

[Lofos-5]

If, on the other hand, you want unbiased news, you are going to have to pay for it. Might I suggest you try The Wall St. Journal, Telegraph, AP News? The best investment you'll ever make!

So how would you judge the Economist in that respect then please?

[Jimgym]

Oh look Lloyd has been desperately searching for anti brexit opinion pieces again, cue stunned reactions from precisely nobody. Sympathy offered to him once again.

[kingfisher]

Good evening Lofos -5. The Economist is rightly a well-regarded publication. I happen to disagree very strongly with its take on Brexit, but put their bias down to the fact that it is 50% controlled by the Rothschilds who, as financiers and bankers, stand to lose on that front and are therefore anti-Brexit, like most of the financial world.
A world in which sadly money is god and principles count for nothing.

[Jim B]

Just to say the Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Yahoo who are accused of regurgitating their news buy it from Associated Press who in turn regurgitate news from local papers of different countries
The Telegraph is a Conservative supporting newspaper that is printed by the Murdoch conglomerate and has been accused of using search engine optimiser's to gather news.

Not as unbiased as suggested.

Jim

[Jim B]

I read this morning that in the USA the Economist was voted as the most reliable and truthful news source; none of those mentioned in an earlier post were included in the top ten though two other British news sources that are always castigated by the right wing are.

Jim

[kingfisher]

Good morning Jim. Lofos-5 asked my opinion, which I ventured. And my previous post was also only my opinion. I was not citing popularity ratings, or perceived reliability figures for various publications, but I note the points you make.
I often read the economist, but the above article, and the even more bizarre “Lessons for Brexit from the Invasion of Iraq” [viz], are opinion pieces, not hard factual news items. As such, I largely disregard them, but would always defend the reliability of The Economist at factual level.
Jon.

[Lofos-5]

“Lessons for Brexit from the Invasion of Iraq” [viz], are opinion pieces, not hard factual news items. As such, I largely disregard them, but would always defend the reliability of The Economist at factual level.
Jon.

Maybe I should have qualified that story, sorry - it was an opinion or column piece - Bagehot to be precise.

The current Bagehot is, I think, Adrian Wooldridge.
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38365169

Never really knew what these names are all about in the Economist - should have checked earlier. But here is an explanation:
https://www.economist.com/blogs/economi ... s-itself-3

Bagehot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Bagehot
(he probably would be turning in his grave would he know about Brexit - lol)

The "Britain faces up to Brexit" story was a normal report though I believe.

A.

[Royal]

All the links and 'headlines' you posted above have one thing in common. They appear to all predict the future after Brexit.

Correction Royal...they are largely reporting events as they are happening now.

Au contraire, Lloyd.

If the British public wants a functioning NHS, it will have to accept freedom of movement

Brexit border chaos will cause huge delays and cost £1bn a year, says report

Japan's biggest bank 'set to move investment operations from London to Amsterdam' because of Brexit

Brexit: Race to host EU agencies relocated from London

A Brexit exodus may cost London 40,000 investment banking jobs

ES Views: The young should speak up. It’s not too late to stop Brexit

Brexit: UK faces £520m bill for moving the European Medicines Agency from London to the EU

Deutsche Bank to move 4,000 staff from Britain due to Brexit:report

Brexit: Why 'Project Fear's' Predictions Could Be Coming True After All:

Conservative MPs angered by reports of £36bn Brexit 'divorce bill' …have we actually received a bill yet? Do we know what it is yet? Have we paid it yet?

How many times do you have to be reminded?

BREXIT HASNT HAPPENED YET

More news for you Royal: since the declaration of Article 50 over four months ago, the Brexit process is now well under way. Though you might be forgiven for disbelieving this, given the negotiation stance vacuum evident in Downing Street...and reports of policy conflict from various sources within government.

I have news for YOU, Lloyd. A process is not an end state. BRitish EXIT is due no earlier than 19 Mar 2019. The advantages of Brexit OBVIOUSLY will not come to fruition until after BREXIT. Is that so hard to understand?

Keep on looking for bad news, though, Lloyd. You're very entertaining in your dogged, persistent search for articles predicting (note: predictions = opinions of what will happen in the future) doom, gloom and the stupidity of most of the Electorate.

Project FEAR has largely been debunked...

[Poppy]

Well I have to say Lloyd that you must be very blinkered and completely ignore the good press reports re BREXIT because believe me there are many! I will not post the links here because for one I don't believe in posting the articles and for two I have absolutely no idea how to post links on my kindle but take my word for it and just google good news stories re BREXIT and you will find some very interesting articles!!

PS I will give you a clue Heard the story about the recent CBI survey of UK Manufacturing? Did you know that the volume of output is the highest since Jan1999? Did you also know that the total of orders is the highest since Oct 1988? Now the lower pound may not be good for you Brits in Cyprus but it is certainly helping UK Industry AND UK tourism!!

[Jimgym]

I see many positive Brexit stories but have refrained from posting because some people are not interested in anything positive about Brexit or Britain and will ignore the posts, hence I don't bother.

[Poppy]

Agree Jim! Lets just test your theory out by seeing the responses to the CBI report I posted

[Jim B]

Is this the link you mean; I got this from the CBI Web Site just now?

http://www.cbi.org.uk/news/softest-half ... ince-2011/

Jim

[Poppy]

You know very well it was not that link Jim and mine was dated 11 August - got to make the tea now but I WILL find it!!

Found it!! As I said I can't do links so have had to copy and paste -
And this week we have had the most bullish CBI Survey of UK manufacturing virtually ever. The volume of output is the highest since January 1999, and total order books are the highest since October 1988. Did we see that in headlines across the press yesterday? I don’t think so. We didn’t hear it because good news stories like this are not just not widely reported – they are often not reported at all. Only some defy the rule. The German car manufacturer BMW picked Oxford over Germany and Netherlands to build its new electric Mini. A story hard to ignore. Demands by Germany’s Free Democrat Party for a special “Brexit cabinet” in Berlin, to safeguard the vital interests of their country, hardly got a mention. Yet the growing alarm among industrial and manufacturing companies there at EU attempts to humiliate Britain is good news for us. Meanwhile, trade talks have started – Japan is seeking an early deal, and Liam Fox has been impressing free trade advocates in Washington this week. The White House has made it clear it is in US interest to make the deal succeed and has said it will. In fact the current economic picture in the Britain is “a complete vindication of the Brexit vote” as Britain’s leading investor Jim Mellon – the UK’s answer to the US billionaire Warren Buffett – put it. Economic outlook is good “The German banking system will need a bailout soon” The outlook is good. Models of countries thriving through their freedom to trade internationally are not to be found in the EU but outside it. New Zealand’s success story of reform and liberalisation started when Britain joined the EU in 1973. Now it engages in half of world trade in sheep meat and one-third in dairy products. Its supply chains span the globe. Singapore, the Asian powerhouse, has averaged a GDP Growth Rate of 6.77 per cent since 1975. It is the perfect model of how Britain can survive and thrive outside the European Union’s customs union. Such success is only possible if we break free from suffocatingly negative and anti-democratic EU and the shackles of its failed economic environment. Deep structural flaws remain within the euro and in its big regional imbalances. The 19-country currency zone at the heart of the failing EU project only grew by 0.3 per cent in the last quarter, just half the rate of the UK. The German banking system will need a bailout soon while the Southern European economies are forced to break the EU’s rules to keep their economies afloat. Yet Brussels profligacy continues to know no bounds. That’s before we even mention an EU immigration crisis of catastrophic proportions, which its appears the EU has no will or ability to control, and which is spilling over to us. If we stay, their problems will be our problems. We will be well out of it and that is very good news. It’s time to reject the safe space, terminal fear-of-change disease that drives the negative Brexit news machine. Kathy Gyngell is co-editor of The Conservative Woman

[Jim B]

I think that's more a Brexit take on the CBI report, I posted the actual report from the CBI Web Site, the one you posted was an article that cherry picked information from the CBI report and was written by Kathy Gyngell who is the co-editor of Conservative Woman.

Jim

[Poppy]

Are you saying that what she reported is factually incorrect Jim?
Jimgym I think we have proved our point! There is obviously something wrong with anything BREXIT positive!!

[Jim B]

Oh come on; I'm saying she only used the points that suited her argument. I posted the original article and it is much more balanced but you're not really interested in that are you?

Jim