What if the will of the people is now for a second referendum on Brexit?

[Poppy]

Really Jimgward you really are clutching at straws now with no valid argument at all! Things change and surely any government worth their salt has to adapt to change. Don't forget if the EU had been more amenable to David Camerons requests then we would have never had a referendum to leave.

[Firefly]

Poppy

Quite so, the agreement when we joined, if we were told the truth which I doubt, has morphed into an Europe controlling body, ruling our country in effect, mainly controlled by Germany and France, not at all what we voted for. Some people whinge about Teresa May, but if Cameron had done what he promised to do, instead of turning tail and running, he might still be our P.M.

Jackie

[Royal]

The UK voted to join the EU as was and all that entailed was accepted by subsequent parliaments in a democratic way....

Au contraire! John Major (Europhile) took us into the EU and didn't give us any say in the matter. No Referendum, no mandate. This was a major change to our constitution which should have been put to the people - but he thought he knew best what the country needed (and, like HIC, clearly still does).

So why break the will of the original people and democratic parliaments?

Because some changed their mind? Perhaps....

Because people had their eyes opened to what being in a European Union entailed and the way we were taken there without a mandate to do so - Loss of sovereignty, an EU Court which was more 'supreme' than our own Supreme Court, unfettered free movement of people from newly joined Eastern European states and to top it all - a huge annual cost to all of us.

[Varky]

What if the will of the people is now for a second referendum on Brexit?

We will never know, so why surmise?

[Varky]

Really Jimgward you really are clutching at straws now with no valid argument at all! Things change and surely any government worth their salt has to adapt to change. Don't forget if the EU had been more amenable to David Camerons requests then we would have never had a referendum to leave.

As it has turned out, the negotiations between DC and te EU were, in a way, the start of Brexit negotiations in that EU gave away nothing. The UK populace realised this, so when DC called the referendum the populace basically told the EU to 'shove it'. So now we are just another step down the line towards leaving.

[outasite]

So literally overnight, the UK will lose all trade with the EU countries. And Vice Versa. What a crock of twaddle. There will still be trade, both ways. It may be a little more expensive but I really cannot see any EU leader dictating to all those firms in the EU who trade with the UK that effective March 30th 2019 your company will no longer be allowed to export your goods to the UK or import anything from the UK.

Famous last words, eh? All along Brexiteers have claimed that German exporters - and car exporters in particular - couldn't afford, and wouldn't allow, it's government (or the EU) to risk it's precious, high-value export market to the UK.

Alas, this view is not as clear-cut or positive as Brexiteers would like to think: http://www.politico.eu/article/german-i ... er-brexit/

And as for the much-publicised UK-US trade deal, at least some in government recognise that such a deal will in no way make up for lost sales to our neighbouring partners in Europe: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-u-trade-de ... iness.html

Who would trust Trump anyway? Oh, Putin might

I bow to the superior knowledge of the author of the politico.eu article. In doing so I will take no notice whatsoever of the last sentence in the article nor the fact that Germany alone exports almost $94 billion of goods per annum to the UK .

[Royal]

Interesting then that nothing will change following Brexit; the UK is enshrining all current EU laws into the British constitution. And before anyone says they will be deleted/amended over time, I'll bet a pound to a penny nothing of the sort will happen.

Yet again, HIC, you are being deliberately obtuse.

Why is it so difficult for you to understand that on 19 Mar 2019 as we exit the EU and cease to be subject to its rules, regulations and of course laws, we need something in place that ensures continuity whilst unpicking nearly 50 years worth of things?

It really is a simple concept...

[Jimgward]

What laws need unpicked? Give some examples please....

[Royal]

I did qualify in my original post that it wasn't just laws, but rules, regulations, directives etc.

How about the fact that our Supreme Court is not Supreme? The fact that the European Court of Justice (ECJ) is now Supreme?

What about the fact that we MUST levy VAT (with a minimum rate of 15%) on energy bills?

What about the free movement of people from the EU to travel in the UK?

What about the fact that our fishing grounds may currently be used by any EU country?

What about the Working Time Directive?

What about allowing welfare payments to any EU citizen resident in the UK - even Child Benefit which in many cases is actually being sent to where the children actually reside - in other EU countries?

The list is endless...

[Royal]

I did qualify in my original post that it wasn't just laws, but rules, regulations, directives etc.

The list is endless...

I have just read the following extract showing the enormity of the task:

"The government's white paper says there is "no single figure" for this, but that there are believed to be 12,000 EU regulations (one type of EU law) in force, while Parliament has passed 7,900 statutory instruments implementing EU legislation and 186 acts which incorporate a degree of EU influence".

Surely no-one expects Parliament to repeal, amend or otherwise change all of this on 20th March 2019?

(...except maybe HIC)

[Firefly]

Apparently not, nothing it seems will change until after Brexit, the laws/rules that exist on the 18th March will be the same on 20th March. It will be later that rules, laws, regulations etc. will change.

Jackie

[Jimgward]

I did qualify in my original post that it wasn't just laws, but rules, regulations, directives etc.

How about the fact that our Supreme Court is not Supreme? The fact that the European Court of Justice (ECJ) is now Supreme?

What about the fact that we MUST levy VAT (with a minimum rate of 15%) on energy bills?

What about the free movement of people from the EU to travel in the UK?

What about the fact that our fishing grounds may currently be used by any EU country?

What about the Working Time Directive?

What about allowing welfare payments to any EU citizen resident in the UK - even Child Benefit which in many cases is actually being sent to where the children actually reside - in other EU countries?

The list is endless...

How about the lies about allowing Eu citizens to stay etc. In Belgium, they apply the rules as suits them, last I looked, they’re part of the EU. In Belgium, a stay of over 3 months must show proof of income, health insurance, suffiient funds for support etc., Even then,you cant even apply for permanent residency for over 5 years. They also don’t apply any automatic benefits.

The UK CHOSE to apply things differently. Yet, anti-EU sides will portray the EU as enforcing rules on the UK.

[Varky]

What laws need unpicked? Give some examples please....

Anything giving the European Court of Justice priority over UK Courts.

[Royal]

I did qualify in my original post that it wasn't just laws, but rules, regulations, directives etc.

How about the fact that our Supreme Court is not Supreme? The fact that the European Court of Justice (ECJ) is now Supreme?

What about the fact that we MUST levy VAT (with a minimum rate of 15%) on energy bills?

What about the free movement of people from the EU to travel in the UK?

What about the fact that our fishing grounds may currently be used by any EU country?

What about the Working Time Directive?

What about allowing welfare payments to any EU citizen resident in the UK - even Child Benefit which in many cases is actually being sent to where the children actually reside - in other EU countries?

The list is endless...

How about the lies about allowing Eu citizens to stay etc. In Belgium, they apply the rules as suits them, last I looked, they’re part of the EU. In Belgium, a stay of over 3 months must show proof of income, health insurance, suffiient funds for support etc., Even then,you cant even apply for permanent residency for over 5 years. They also don’t apply any automatic benefits.

The UK CHOSE to apply things differently. Yet, anti-EU sides will portray the EU as enforcing rules on the UK.

You have asked what laws - I gave you just a few, and you sidestepped them all and gave a totally unrelated and irrelevant response.

The UK applies rules and regulations - it's what we (and the Germans) tend to do - obey the law. I don't particularly care what Belgium does - it is irrelevant to me. France, Spain and others (including Cyprus) are famous for ignoring rules and regulations in favour of their national interests.

[Jimgward]

I did qualify in my original post that it wasn't just laws, but rules, regulations, directives etc.

How about the fact that our Supreme Court is not Supreme? The fact that the European Court of Justice (ECJ) is now Supreme?

What about the fact that we MUST levy VAT (with a minimum rate of 15%) on energy bills?

What about the free movement of people from the EU to travel in the UK?

What about the fact that our fishing grounds may currently be used by any EU country?

What about the Working Time Directive?

What about allowing welfare payments to any EU citizen resident in the UK - even Child Benefit which in many cases is actually being sent to where the children actually reside - in other EU countries?

The list is endless...

How about the lies about allowing Eu citizens to stay etc. In Belgium, they apply the rules as suits them, last I looked, they’re part of the EU. In Belgium, a stay of over 3 months must show proof of income, health insurance, suffiient funds for support etc., Even then,you cant even apply for permanent residency for over 5 years. They also don’t apply any automatic benefits.

The UK CHOSE to apply things differently. Yet, anti-EU sides will portray the EU as enforcing rules on the UK.

You have asked what laws - I gave you just a few, and you sidestepped them all and gave a totally unrelated and irrelevant response.

The UK applies rules and regulations - it's what we (and the Germans) tend to do - obey the law. I don't particularly care what Belgium does - it is irrelevant to me. France, Spain and others (including Cyprus) are famous for ignoring rules and regulations in favour of their national interests.

[jeba]

How about the lies about allowing Eu citizens to stay etc. In Belgium, they apply the rules as suits them, last I looked, they’re part of the EU. In Belgium, a stay of over 3 months must show proof of income, health insurance, suffiient funds for support etc., Even then,you cant even apply for permanent residency for over 5 years.

That´s completely in line with EU regulations. It´s the same in Cyprus and Germany (and probably anywhere else).

[Royal]

Kind of sums up your argument...

[Lofos-5]

2021 - that's when the next referendum will be. See new post, an article from the Economist...

[Royal]

Another referendum would cause civil unrest in the UK the likes of which has never been seen before.

The Electorate already hold politicians in the lowest esteem possible. To ignore the democratic will of the people by ignoring the referendum result because it wasn't the 'right' one will not be good for the country.

[Varky]

Apparently not, nothing it seems will change until after Brexit, the laws/rules that exist on the 18th March will be the same on 20th March. It will be later that rules, laws, regulations etc. will change.
Jackie

The Repeal Bill as such will not take EU laws verbatim, although that will be a starting point on its passage through parliament. As I see it the government will propose changes to EU existing laws and incorporate those changes into UK law so that on the day after we leave the EU the Repeal Bill will become law. What is now happening is that all the other parties in parliament, quite reasonably in my opinion, are wanting the right to table amendments to the proposed amended laws that are to be applicable to the UK after Brexit.
As I see it this law will become applicable immediately after Brexit and any changes in the law, etc. will have already been passed by parliament. No further changes will take place thereafter unless through the normal parliamentary process, but outside the Repeal Bill.