O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!

[Firefly]

Devil

OK I accept I misread your post as far as being Swiss was concerned, but I didn't clearly say that THE SWISS immigrants should adopt our way of life ! As far as the English language is to be used correctly, be very careful, some of us on here well remember your in correct use of it on C.L.

Jackie

[Steve - SJD]

Personally I couldn't care less what other nations think of us, this is our decision. The Swiss haven't seen their country having to take in unlimited numbers of immigrants, who refuse to adapt to our way of life and live by our laws, if they had, they may think differently. Plus being governed by Brussels, they should give it a try.

Jackie

In fairness the UK hasn't taken in an unlimited number of immigrants either and we already have control over nearly half of those that do as
they are from outside the EU. (Also the total number is going down judging by recent figures)

On the whole for the majority of immigrants they do adapt and live lawfully - it is the minority who abuse things. There have been plenty of
instances of Brits in Cyprus getting in trouble with the law for one reason or another - but that shouldn't reflect on all British immigrants should
it.

Cheers

Steve

[OhSusana]

This article is in a Swiss newspaper today.
http://mobile2.derbund.ch/articles/5944 ... 44ba000001

THE LAUGHING STOCK OF EUROPE

Looks like you have a good eye for articles Jim!
Checking up on the author, who appears to have several degrees, and several best sellers to his name - particularly a brilliant book about football - I came across this -

A translated article calling Britain the laughing stock of Europe has gone viral on Facebook
https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit- ... ng-7800061

Again - thanks for posting this, and well-spotted!

[Pete G]

This article is in a Swiss newspaper today.
http://mobile2.derbund.ch/articles/5944 ... 44ba000001

THE LAUGHING STOCK OF EUROPE

Looks like you have a good eye for articles Jim!
Checking up on the author, who appears to have several degrees, and several best sellers to his name - particularly a brilliant book about football - I came across this -

A translated article calling Britain the laughing stock of Europe has gone viral on Facebook
https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit- ... ng-7800061

Again - thanks for posting this, and well-spotted!

And thank you, for confirming my previous post

[Jimgward]

Pete G. I dont think ANY remainer, is looking for Britain to do badly from Brexit. In fact, I’ve seen brexiteers recently claim they always expected to do badly after brexit! I think remainders are trying to bring attention to things, to ensure we do as well as absolutely possible. Many have invested interests, as I do, in ensuring I can do business as before and that Britain doesn’t suffer.

[ApusApus]

Pete G. I dont think ANY remainer, is looking for Britain to do badly from Brexit.

Are you sure ............ I can think of one not a million miles away for here!

Oh, silly me I forgot that person didn't vote so I guess they don't count then!


Shane

[OhSusana]

And thank you, for confirming my previous post

You must be joking.
The xenophobia on this thread is positively nauseating.

First we get somebody ranting on about the Swiss in what I would call racist terms.
And then we realise the author writes also for a German paper, so we get you -
saying that the author is writing with this aim -
for "the Germans" to confirm their "moral superiority".
Sick. No other word for it.

Little Britain indeed. We are simply telling him to "sod off" because he is a "German"?!
No intellectual argument? Just pure xenophobia?
If this is a reflection on the average Brexit voter, God help the UK.

[Poppy]

If you have no views on the article by George Soros then why post it?

[WHL]

Personally I couldn't care less what other nations think of us, this is our decision. The Swiss haven't seen their country having to take in unlimited numbers of immigrants, who refuse to adapt to our way of life and live by our laws, if they had, they may think differently. Plus being governed by Brussels, they should give it a try.

Jackie

Agree does that also apply to the Brits living in Cyprus, some for many years, who cant say one word in the Greek language?

[Firefly]

WHL

I was speaking about the UK, what Brits in Cyprus do or do not do, doesn't figure in my argument. That said, it is true that there are many Brits living in Cyprus who cannot speak Greek, so what ? You presumably do try to integrate with Cypriots, and woe betide you if you do not abide by their laws.

There are many immigrants in the UK who will not, and never will, adapt to our way of life. They have built their own places of worship, have their own schools, perform ritual surgery on young girls, which is illegal. Have their own abattoirs, and slaughter their animals in a way that we would be prosecuted for. They are provided with interpreters if they cannot speak English, at our expense.

Jackie

[WHL]

Yep a bit like the Brits here, live in the same areas as other Brits, never learn the Language, have their own places of worship, have their own schools. have their own clubs and bars, yep thats what you call,adapting to the local way of life,....The Irony, or should that be Hypocrisy

[Devil]

Yep a bit like the Brits here, live in the same areas as other Brits, never learn the Language, have their own places of worship, have their own schools. have their own Brit, clubs and bars, yep thats what you call,adapting to the local way of life,....The Irony, or should that be Hypocrisy

Absolutely, except for the at the end. It is not funny, it is pathetic. Firefly may or may not be happy in her UK ivory tower but he/she should remember that this forum has nothing to do with Hereford and that most of its members are immigrants in a country other than what they claim to be their own.

[Firefly]

Devil

She isn't in an Ivory tower, and I have every right to post on this forum after having lived in Cyprus for nine years. I did try to learn the language, I lived in a fairly remote village amongst Cypriots, many of whom became my friends. Together with British friends, I worked every Monday morning at the Hospice Shop. I adopted five stray cats, two of whom we brought back to the UK. So you think that pathetic do you, I'm too much of a lady to put into print what I think of you !

Switzerland is nothing to do with Cyprus either is it, or am I missing something. The OP was a reference to the UK from Switzerland, why didn't you feel it necessary to criticise that post as nothing to do with Cyprus, it wouldn't be because it was a man that posted it would it ?

WHL

Your post isn't worth a reply.

Jackie (female)

[outasite]

And thank you, for confirming my previous post

You must be joking.
The xenophobia on this thread is positively nauseating.

First we get somebody ranting on about the Swiss in what I would call racist terms.
And then we realise the author writes also for a German paper, so we get you -
saying that the author is writing with this aim -
for "the Germans" to confirm their "moral superiority".
Sick. No other word for it.

Little Britain indeed. We are simply telling him to "sod off" because he is a "German"?!
No intellectual argument? Just pure xenophobia?
If this is a reflection on the average Brexit voter, God help the UK.

There you go again, and again and again and again.

[OhSusana]

And thank you, for confirming my previous post

You must be joking.
The xenophobia on this thread is positively nauseating.

First we get somebody ranting on about the Swiss in what I would call racist terms.
And then we realise the author writes also for a German paper, so we get you -
saying that the author is writing with this aim -
for "the Germans" to confirm their "moral superiority".
Sick. No other word for it.

Little Britain indeed. We are simply telling him to "sod off" because he is a "German"?!
No intellectual argument? Just pure xenophobia?
If this is a reflection on the average Brexit voter, God help the UK.

There you go again, and again and again and again.

There you go again, outasite.
The one-liner completely devoid of any intellectual content.
Again and again and again.

Are you wishing to say that the comments about Swiss nationals or German nationals aren't xenophobic?
Or you simply have no idea what you're saying, doing, writing?

If you're going to use a one-liner, make it interesting. Like...
He said 'I'm going to chop off the bottom of one of your trouser legs and put it in a library. ' I thought 'That's a turn-up for the books
or
Standing in the park, I was wondering why a Frisbee gets larger the closer it gets. Then it hit me.

[Pete G]

You must be joking.
The xenophobia on this thread is positively nauseating.

At some point, hopefully in the not too distant future, the chattering classes will eventually get the idea that the continual and completely unsupportable chants of 'racist' and 'xenophobe' have now been used so often, and so inappropriately, as a means of avoiding actual discussion that they are now ineffective to the point of parody, especially as regards to a rejection of the continuing Germanic calls for the unification of Europe under the Euro, or the Neudeutschmark, as it is fast becoming.

Neither the Swiss or the Germans constitute a separate race from the English, and barely a separate ethnicity

Xenophobia, or indeed any 'phobia' represents an unreasonable fear. I'm not contrary to the great German experience because it is guided by the Germans, I am against it because it clearly favours the Germans at the expense of other EU members, and is politically socialist [as is the norm in Europe] as opposed to politically conservative [as used to be the case in the UK, before Bliars version of Eurocommunism became so trendy].

Just as a matter of clarity, when I lived in the UK, there were certain immigrant communities [the Poles for example who have for the last 80 years been such an ornament to British society that it would be difficult to overestimate their positive contribution, the Italian community around Bedfordshire, the North London Cypriots and, perhaps most importantly the Ugandan Asians, to whom I will bow to no-one in my admiration as to the positive model of integration and economic enterprise they represent] for whom I have nothing but the greatest respect, admiration and gratitude for the positive contribution they have made to British life.

It seems this is not an opinion I am allowed to hold however, according to the bien pensants of the new left. I, being a raging xenophobe and racist, am incapable of having a nuanced view with respect to mass immigration, other cultures, and other political systems, and merely have to accept the multicultural, eurosocialist, federalist medicine as it is fed to me, or else be branded as somehow sub-human

I must forget, for example, that Italy is now effectively beyond democratic control and is run by eurocrat fiat, I must dismiss as inconsequential the fact Ireland, Spain, and Portugal are still working on establishing financial independence after receiving ECB 'assistance', or that Greece once in control [however unconventionally] of its own finances has ceded control completely to the German financial machine, and is in so much debt to the EU that it will take a miracle to clear it in the lifetime of any Greek currently alive. Most importantly I must not be so rude as to point out that there is only one EU member state that has consistently shown a balance of payments surplus with respect to the rest of the EU, and certainly not mention which one that is.

Perhaps best not to mention either, the sheer idiocy of the Germans demanding that they be allowed to, and Greece and Italy be mandated to, accept massive numbers of economic migrants, as they are the 'only' answer to funding an aging population, despite the fact that the Greek youth unemployment rate is currently running at 42%.

And of course, to suggest that different European states with different cultures and different mores may benefit from different economic and political systems, well that is tantamount to heresy isn't it? I mean, everybody knows that [everyone get ready to join in the chorus] what is good for Germany is good for Europe, and what's good for Europe is good for the UK.

Well, I don't think so.

But you should absolutely keep branding me [and others] as xenophobes and racists, despite not having one iota of actual evidence or anecdote to support that accusation, against any reasonable definition of the word. I wouldn't want to speak for everyone, you understand, but when someone with an opposing view substitutes insults for argument, or 'taking offence' and 'disgust' for logic and evidence, then it just serves to re-inforce [should that be necessary] my opinion that I might be on the right track, after all

[outasite]

You must be joking.
The xenophobia on this thread is positively nauseating.

First we get somebody ranting on about the Swiss in what I would call racist terms.
And then we realise the author writes also for a German paper, so we get you -
saying that the author is writing with this aim -
for "the Germans" to confirm their "moral superiority".
Sick. No other word for it.

Little Britain indeed. We are simply telling him to "sod off" because he is a "German"?!
No intellectual argument? Just pure xenophobia?
If this is a reflection on the average Brexit voter, God help the UK.

There you go again, and again and again and again.

There you go again, outasite.
The one-liner completely devoid of any intellectual content.
Again and again and again.

Are you wishing to say that the comments about Swiss nationals or German nationals aren't xenophobic?
Or you simply have no idea what you're saying, doing, writing?

If you're going to use a one-liner, make it interesting. Like...
He said 'I'm going to chop off the bottom of one of your trouser legs and put it in a library. ' I thought 'That's a turn-up for the books
or
Standing in the park, I was wondering why a Frisbee gets larger the closer it gets. Then it hit me.

You really take the cake OhS. You are a most obnoxious person. You see racism, xenophobia, in every comment that does not agree with your viewpoint. You lower yourself to insult anyone who disagrees with your views. You post nothing but anti UK views, you belittle anyone and everyone with your high handedness accusing people of being illiterate, of low intelligence, racist, stupid, ad infinitum. Except of course the likes of HiC who mirrors your beliefs or is it the other way round?
At least he doesn't play the racist / xenophobia card when his views are challenged.

Oh well, nothing I write will change your mind and if you do answer this I have no doubts it will be in the usual sneering way.

[June]

But she is Road Warrior, and there is no need for it.

[Royal]

Good post Pete G. I'm with you 100%.

I'm concerned about immigration so (of course) I must be a racist bigot.

I prefer sovereignty to rest solely with the UK Parliament which is accountable to me as a UK voter and for the UK Supreme Court to be supreme, so (of course) I must be xenophobic and a 'Little Englander'

I am against gay marriage, so (of course) I' must be homophobic.

I believe that Islam is more than a religion but a way of life which seeks to change everyone else to Islam, so (of course) I must be Islamaphobic.

We now live in a society where the vociferous minority will use any derogatory term they can to put down dissent from their myopic views.

PS. Good post Outasite.

[OhSusana]

You must be joking.
The xenophobia on this thread is positively nauseating.

At some point, hopefully in the not too distant future, the chattering classes will eventually get the idea that the continual and completely unsupportable chants of 'racist' and 'xenophobe' have now been used so often, and so inappropriately, as a means of avoiding actual discussion that they are now ineffective to the point of parody, especially as regards to a rejection of the continuing Germanic calls for the unification of Europe under the Euro, or the Neudeutschmark, as it is fast becoming.

Neither the Swiss or the Germans constitute a separate race from the English, and barely a separate ethnicity...

But you should absolutely keep branding me [and others] as xenophobes and racists, despite not having one iota of actual evidence or anecdote to support that accusation, against any reasonable definition of the word. I wouldn't want to speak for everyone, you understand, but when someone with an opposing view substitutes insults for argument, or 'taking offence' and 'disgust' for logic and evidence, then it just serves to re-inforce [should that be necessary] my opinion that I might be on the right track, after all

many thanks for your comments, Pete G.
As this is going rather off topic, I've started a separate thread where I have included some definitions of xenophobia and racism.
I hope you will post your thoughts there.