French Election

[cyprusgrump]

There ha been a drop of EU Nurse applicants by 96% since the Brexit vote. which contradicts your statement that the best are queuing up to work in Britain.

Jim

Perhaps if the EU had accepted a bilateral deal on expats as the UK offered that wouldn't be the case?

Or perhaps 96% is just a made up number and Poppy does have evidence that it simply isn't true...?

[Jim B]

Perhaps or perhaps not.

Jim

[Dominic]

96% is an official figure.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/

It's in all the rags.

[Poppy]

I have no evidence because if you read my post I was talking about the future not now and I repeat that once some clarification has been negotiated then they will be queuing to work here and we will have our pick of the best!

[cyprusgrump]

96% is an official figure.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/

It's in all the rags.

Call me a skeptic, *you're a skeptic!" but the graph in the article provided rather shows a boom in the months leading up to the vote (as would be expected) and an (obviously steep) decline thereafter...

It would be interesting to know what the figure was in say April 2015.

But then I suppose, "number of EU nurses fall by 10%" wouldn't make anywhere near such a good headline...

[Dominic]

No I think you make a valid point.

[cyprusgrump]

Just a few weeks now before the realities of Brexit come to fruition

It is noticeable how muted Brexiteers responses are these days; it's almost like the realisation of what is about to befall the UK is dawning.

CG's response to my post of last night will go down in history as one of the most abbreviated ever. And what of snapping dogs Royal? Smudger? Apus Apus? Hudswell? Kingfisher? And dear Jimgym?

It's crows coming home to roost time. No longer can people deny the low value of the pound. No longer can they claim that a weak pound will stimulate exports - it didn't. No longer can they deny that serious inflation has taken hold in the UK. No longer can they claim that living standards won't drop as inflation outpaces wage growth. No more can they claim that EU nationals will want to continue coming to the UK to work. No longer can they claim that there are no substantial costs to leaving the EU, especially if it wishes continued access to the single European market.

Let's watch as the rest of the wheels fall off this luvverly ("the people have spoken") Brexit bandwagon

And yet brief though my post was you were unable to provide a coherent answer to it. And I can't speak for the others you mention but therein lies the problem.

It is impossible to have a reasoned debate with you. You sneer and shout 'I told you so' like a spoilt school boy. You gloat at the misfortune which you believe is about to befall your son in the UK and I personally find it all rather bizarre for a supposedly grown man.

And yet when anybody tries to have a sensible debate or presents facts that go against your narrative you either ignore them and continue with "I told you so, I'm always right" or resort to "Brexit hasn't happened yet, Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet, negotiations haven't started yet", etc. The only thing missing from your rather immature responses is "nar nar nar nar nar!".

If you did but take one position and try to argue your case people might have more respect for you.

[Royal]

Just a few weeks now before the realities of Brexit come to fruition

It is noticeable how muted Brexiteers responses are these days; it's almost like the realisation of what is about to befall the UK is dawning.

And what of snapping dogs Royal? Smudger? Apus Apus? Hudswell? Kingfisher? And dear Jimgym?

As CG has also said, I can't speak for others but I full agree with his response, most of which I would have used in mine, so I make no apology for repeating them:

It is impossible to have a reasoned debate with you. You sneer and shout 'I told you so' like a spoilt school boy. You gloat at the misfortune which you believe is about to befall your son in the UK and I personally find it all rather bizarre for a supposedly grown man.

And yet when anybody tries to have a sensible debate or presents facts that go against your narrative you either ignore them and continue with "I told you so, I'm always right" or resort to "Brexit hasn't happened yet, Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet, negotiations haven't started yet", etc. The only thing missing from your rather immature responses is "nar nar nar nar nar!".

If you did but take one position and try to argue your case people might have more respect for you.

Over the last few months, you have enlightened us with the knowledge that you have no financial interests remaining in the UK and that your Brexit voting son "will have to take whatever comes his way; serves him right". These two statements alone rather changed my opinion about debating Brexit with you. What's the point?

I think the killer blow for me, however, was your tacit support of a poster who resorted to ad hominem comments and personal insults against others in the debate. You even told us all how intelligent she was and what wit she possessed (when it was really simply naked sarcasm). I'm sure everyone will know who I mean without having to identify her. I thought better of you until that point. However, your latest post seems to sum up your entire position. 'Nuff said:

Let's watch as the rest of the wheels fall off this luvverly ("the people have spoken") Brexit bandwagon

[Dominic]

Plus there was the bit where HiC admitted he hadn't actually voted. That makes his opinion kind of irrelevant. I voted remain, but hope that Britain survives Brexit and prospers. I will happily argue with Grump et al about the rights and wrongs of it, but I certainly won't gloat if it goes wrong.

You don't win arguments by negotiating yourself out of the conversation.

[Poppy]

Nothing particularly positive at the moment Lloyd because negotiations have not begun. We know however that the pound was quite stable at about 1.19 until the election result ( election not Brexit!!) As for inflation I'm not feeling it but then that is probably because I don't buy toys which are the main reason for the rise I believe. Certainly I am here and food,elec,gas have not increased noticeably in the 4 months I have been here.

[Dominic]

This was a good read:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40264084

[cyprusgrump]

This was a good read:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40264084

Splendid!

[Jimgward]

Nothing particularly positive at the moment Lloyd because negotiations have not begun. We know however that the pound was quite stable at about 1.19 until the election result ( election not Brexit!!) As for inflation I'm not feeling it but then that is probably because I don't buy toys which are the main reason for the rise I believe. Certainly I am here and food,elec,gas have not increased noticeably in the 4 months I have been here.

Energy prices rose close to 25% in April - for Scottish Power customers. I am in a deal until winter 2017, so haven't experienced it yet.

[ApusApus]

I think by most people's standards your "passing interest" is way more than just passing!


Shane

[Dominic]

Dominic, I didn't vote in the referendum because I had no interest in voting, in just the same way as I haven't voted in UK general elections for the past 20 odd years. Our family's future is in Cyprus and I can't personally ever see us returning to the UK, whatever may come our way. So I have no desire to vote for a government which is of no relevance to me.

You can have an interest. You just shouldn't expect people who did bother to vote to pay much heed to your opinion.

[Poppy]

Lloyd if you read my post I said the MAIN reason for the inflation rise was the cost of toys and as I said I cannot see there is any noticeable increase in food. If you would like to take bananas for one example which I think you will agree are imported. They are 72p per kilo which if you would like to go back to a post on here several months ago which I believe was about the difference between food prices in Cyprus and UK I think you will find that bananas were 72p per kilo then. And please pray tell me for just how long the pound was at 1.40?

[cyprusgrump]

Lloyd if you read my post I said the MAIN reason for the inflation rise was the cost of toys and as I said I cannot see there is any noticeable increase in food. If you would like to take bananas for one example which I think you will agree are imported. They are 72p per kilo which if you would like to go back to a post on here several months ago which I believe was about the difference between food prices in Cyprus and UK I think you will find that bananas were 72p per kilo then. And please pray tell me for just how long the pound was at 1.40?

According to the charts HiC posts it was only above £1 = €1.40 between March 10th 2015 and December 1st 2015. Nine months.

But don't expect him to acknowledge that...

[Rita Sherry]

Dominic, I didn't vote in the referendum because I had no interest in voting, in just the same way as I haven't voted in UK general elections for the past 20 odd years. Our family's future is in Cyprus and I can't personally ever see us returning to the UK, whatever may come our way. So I have no desire to vote for a government which is of no relevance to me.

You can have an interest. You just shouldn't expect people who did bother to vote to pay much heed to your opinion.

Well said Dominic - anyone who has the right to vote but decides not to bother for whatever reason has no opinion worthy of interest. As for a child of a family not speaking to her /his parents over such an issue - well one wonders whether they (the children) are grown up enough to vote. If we all voted the same way we would have a dictatorship so where is the democracy in that?

Rita

[Poppy]

Perhaps Lloyd does not vote because he is unable to. I seem to recall( I may be wrong) that Lloyd has also lived and worked in the USA so with his years in Cyprus he may be over the 15 year rule?

[OhSusana]

Dominic, I didn't vote in the referendum because I had no interest in voting, in just the same way as I haven't voted in UK general elections for the past 20 odd years. Our family's future is in Cyprus and I can't personally ever see us returning to the UK, whatever may come our way. So I have no desire to vote for a government which is of no relevance to me.

You can have an interest. You just shouldn't expect people who did bother to vote to pay much heed to your opinion.

Well said Dominic - anyone who has the right to vote but decides not to bother for whatever reason has no opinion worthy of interest. ...

Rita

Surely you can both just as easily say that his opinion is not worthy of interest because he is black.
Or because he is Jewish.

Where oh where is the intellectual basis for your argument?
HOW can whether a person votes or not affect the quality of their argument ?
In the same way, how can whether a person is black or Jewish affect the quality of their argument?

Maybe you meant to say that because he decided not to vote you don't respect him as a person?

But on purely moral grounds one could equally argue that somebody who doesn't live in the UK, hasn't lived there for many many years, and has no intention of living there, has actually taken the moral high-ground in deciding that people who live in the UK should decide how they want to live. And he should not interfere in that. It should not be decided by "outsiders" - if I might call him that.

As an aside, what was the Brexit argument about? UKIP... stopping Brussels and the foreigners interferring in British affairs?