OH DEAR...IS THE TRIPLE LOCK UNDER THREAT

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PhotoLady wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:06 pm Corbyn was only 2,227 votes away from becoming PM..... something to remember, especially if there's another election in the offing.
How on earth do you work that one out?

The Tories won 13,669,883 votes. Labour won 12,878,460 votes. Conservatives therefore won the 'popular vote' by 791,463 votes.

The Tories won 318 seats. Labour won 262 seats. The Tories therefore won the largest number of constituenciess by a margin of 56 seats from their nearest rivals.

The Tories won 42.4% of all votes cast. Labour won 40%. The Tories therefore won the percentage of votes by more than 2 points.

The Tories won the 2017 General Election. Labour lost on all counts.
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From a different perspective is how the calculation was done.... in that he could have become PM ;-)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 82581.html

And the EU are beginning to stamp their feet:

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator has urged the UK to begin talks "very quickly".
Michel Barnier warned that no progress had been made on the "extraordinarily complex" talks since Theresa May invoked Article 50 in March.
"I can't negotiate with myself," he told the Financial Times.
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In that same article, you can see that the Tories only needed another 287 votes for an outright majority, making Corbyn's target positively gargantuan in comparison.
Had the Conservatives seized four seats from Labour – Dudley North (22 majority); Newcastle-under-Lyme (30 majority); Crew and Nantwich (48 majority); and Canterbury (187 majority) – Ms May would have been able to form a government without support from the Democratic Unionist Party, which won 10 seats.
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PhotoLady wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:02 pm From a different perspective is how the calculation was done.... in that he could have become PM ;-)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 82581.html
Rather selective use of the contents of the article PhotoLady!

Another extract from the article states:

"Conservatives were only 287 votes from being able to form a working majority.

Had the Conservatives seized four seats from Labour – Dudley North (22 majority); Newcastle-under-Lyme (30 majority); Crew and Nantwich (48 majority); and Canterbury (187 majority) – Ms May would have been able to form a government without support from the Democratic Unionist Party, which won 10 seats."


Sorry that it's in blue bold font - well, not really :D

Afternote: Posted before seeing Dominic's response.
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PhotoLady wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:02 pm And the EU are beginning to stamp their feet:

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator has urged the UK to begin talks "very quickly".
Michel Barnier warned that no progress had been made on the "extraordinarily complex" talks since Theresa May invoked Article 50 in March.
"I can't negotiate with myself," he told the Financial Times.
So what? Let them wait...
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Well you can say the tories won the election if that is what makes you happy.
Also you can say that labour lost the election.
But it was never labours election to lose and I don't think you can win by ending up with less than what you started with.

I suppose the real answer is who cracked open the champagne at the end.

Will it all boil down to the Queens Speech?
Because if May cannot get it passed then Corbyn will automatically become PM until his QS is passed or failing that another GE will have to be called.
I notice according to some polls that Labour are now 5 points ahead.
Who'd have thought that then?
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Talking of opinion polls, I cannot believe the sheer audacity of Yougov. They have the following headline on their homepage:
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How we correctly called a hung parliament
As the dust of the general election settles, many commentators are still stating they didn’t see it coming. But we did. By using our unparalleled panel and sophisticated data analytics, ...
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Yet further down the same page, we read:
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Final call poll: Tories lead by seven points and set to increase majority
Labour won the battles of the election campaign, but the Conservatives still look almost certain to win the war (Comments: 833)
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panoscouse wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:48 pm Well you can say the tories won the election if that is what makes you happy.
Also you can say that labour lost the election.
But it was never labours election to lose and I don't think you can win by ending up with less than what you started with.
I can see your logic there... ;)

That is how it works in the Olympics isn't it...?

If an athlete wins a final but doesn't post a PB they deny him/her the gold medal right...? :?

Or do they in fact give the gold medal to the winner - the one that did best on the day...? A sort of tradition really...

...and the one that doesn't win, well, traditionally we call them the loser... Or in more precise political terms, The opposition... ;)
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