German investors redistribute resources following Brexit

[OhSusana]

Oh dear me! That's a bit nasty isn't it.
Try and say something intellectual - please!
Post some positive news about Brexit Jimgym.
Go on - do it.

[Jimgym]

Hark the rustling of parched newsprint as dear old Allan scours through the week's papers searching for positive news about Brexit.

Nope, nothing in that one, let's try another.

No, nothing there either. Strange!

Let's try the Express, they've always been avid supporters of Brexit.

Weird! No 'good news' stories there either.

Nothing in the Daily Mail too.

"Oh sugar!"

"I know...in the absence of positive news, I'll go onto Paphos Life and take the mickey out of Lloyd, OhSusana, Lyn, Jim B, JimG and Cogs...they're absolute idiots and don't know what they're talking about".

"Any day now some good news about Brexit has just got to be reported. I'm sure of it. Well, at least I think so".

Camera fades to black as Allan, looking disconsolate, drums his fingers on the table. The refrain to the Labour Party hymnal "Things can only get better" takes us to the advertising interlude.

Another "Fans of Brexit" documentary comes to a close.

Aww Lloyd, I think the one desperately scouring the newspapers is still you. Searching for any scrap of news containing the usual if's and maybe's of how badly Britain is going to fare. Hoping to find some solace in an opinion piece written by a Remainer that will paint Britain in a bad light, and when you find one, rushing to copy and paste it onto this site and feeling a warm glow of satisfaction that once again you have managed, despite overwhelming odds, to post something even more ridiculous than your last piece. There is absolutely no point in any of us on this site posting anything good about Britain because you refuse to see it, even arguing that sterling is not doing better. I hope one day things improve for you, but sadly doubt it.

[Jimgym]

Oh dear me! That's a bit nasty isn't it.
Try and say something intellectual - please!
Post some positive news about Brexit Jimgym.
Go on - do it.

Offering my sympathies is nasty? Aww darling not at all, I was being kind, but of course if you want to feel victimised then that is of course up to you.

[Lynsab]

Lloyd I've found something dreadful......

From the Daily Fail/hate/Mail .

Actually I didn't really find it, I saw it reviewed on tv, I wouldn't blight my iPad with such garbage normally...but surprise surprise....the Brexit newspaper says...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -turn.html

Lloyd, like you I just stick with my opinions as I've always done...I suppose you could say the few who don't like opposing views strengthened by journalism, bloggers, societies, MPs, political parties, judges, peers and everyday ordinary citizens are fed up with agreeing with one another on other forums maybe ? so NEED to migrate elsewhere to find a decent debate....we all provide that....a balanced but tough debate.

I'm shocked at some name calling, but I avoid it...and yet some ( the same some) still resort to it.

Water off the proverbial back of most I guess..

It's great to see these threads continue on their way and I personally don't join in any I don't have strong opinions on.

Long may it continue...

[Poppy]

I can fully understand everyone having their opinions and thinking they are right. I can understand people being annoyed because they think BREXIT was the wrong decision. What I cannot understand is now BREXIT has been voted for and Article 50 has been triggered what those who are anti BREXIT feel they can achieve now other than frustrate themselves and make it more difficult for the negotiations once they commence. If negotiations are not as succesful as we would hope then I believe the blame can be laid firmly at the remainers door for not showing the EU a united front.
Additionally it would be very interesting to see if Remainers who have voted Tory all their lives will now consider voting Labour or even Lib Dem? It is indeed incredible the promises that Labour are making now and I wonder if anyone is gullible enough to believe them?

[Jim B]

There are enough people gullible to believe the Tories so surely there are enough who believe Labour.

Jim

[Firefly]

Cogs

I had to giggle at your signature after reading that post !

Jackie

[Poppy]

Aah Jim but Labour are promising the World so just how are they going to pay for it - as far as I am aware they are not divulging that. The press reports that Theresa May is not ruling out an increase in tax or maintaining the triple lock although I believe they are putting words into her mouth at least she is not making stupid undoable promises.

[Jimgym]

I wonder, how many Remain voters were taken in by the lies of Osborne and co? Funny how they conveniently never mention those lies isn't it? The stench of hypocrisy surrounding those people is quite overwhelming.

[smudger]

".......it will instead be OUR fault - the voice of reason and commonsense all along."

No Lloyd, nobody's saying whose fault it will be, except you. For the extremely simple reason that no one yet knows how it will all pan out, not you, not JimB, certainly not the clown posing as Osusanna (and, boy, has your credibility diminished since you started supporting this foolish person - each to his own as they say!) so, for the hundredth time, what the heck is the point????

Which fool told you that you and your fellow cut n pasters were the voice of reason??? Sue 'em Lloyd, you wus robbed! Voice you certainly are, reason - absolutely no way I'm afraid, common sense? Not in your lifetime!

[Jim B]

As you say I like you have no idea how it will pan out but it appears that certain warnings regarding the Brexit are staring to happen. 2 EU agencies pulling out of the UK in June, only 1000 job losses but it doesn't matter because they're not your jobs. Lloyds of London moving part of their setup to Brussels which equates to more jobs leaving the UK, again they're not your jobs so what's the problem. This is just the thin end of the wedge but it's not affecting you so it's nothing to get upset about. I wonder if those people losing their jobs are blaming Remainers like me or Brexiters like you?

Jim

[smudger]

Jim you assume far too much. I take any job loss as serious, so please stop insulting my intelligence, along with that of others with your socialist jargonistuc assumptions.

Job losses and job creation happen all the time and are rarely laid at the door of one ideology or another, so why do you have to reduce your arguments to that basic level? Is this what we're going to hear for the next umpty odd years? Every job loss had to be down to the Brexiteers, does it correlate that every job creation has to be down to the remainers. Don't think so.

Instead of bringing it down instantly to the usual socialist dogma why don't you just wait and see what the outcomes of the negotiations may be? Any idea of how many jobs may be created by them? Any idea of how many jobs may have been already created by Brexit??

Be even handed for a change Jim, tell the whole story instead of pulling pro socialist sound bites out of your favourite news sites.

Better still, wait until the negotiations are completed and look at the whole picture!!!!!

[Jim B]

It's not about dogma or socialist leanings; this happening now as a direct result of Brexit. We don't have to wait to see what will happen as it's happening in eight weeks time. I would think these people being laid off aren't too interested in what happens 2 years down the line, they're most probably worried about the here and now. The whole picture is that people are starting to lose their livelihoods for absolutely no gain.

Jim

[Royal]

It's not about dogma or socialist leanings; this happening now as a direct result of Brexit. We don't have to wait to see what will happen as it's happening in eight weeks time. I would think these people being laid off aren't too interested in what happens 2 years down the line, they're most probably worried about the here and now. The whole picture is that people are starting to lose their livelihoods for absolutely no gain.

Jim

The whole picture? Try telling that to the 24% unemployed in Greece, the 21% unemployed in Spain, the 15% unemployed in Cyprus, the 11% unemployed in Italy, the 10% unemployed in France, the 7% unemployed in Belgium, Latvia Sweden and Ireland.

All EU countries which have far higher unemployment than the UK where it is under 5%.

Why do you only see doom and gloom around Brexit?

[Jim B]

So what you're saying is that all unemployment is down to the EU but then quote it's only 5% in the UK, a bit of a contradiction don't you think. Wouldn't you think it's more to do with the specific countries named and how they operate. I see doom and gloom around Brexit because I've worked in industry all my life and have been on the end of downturns and recessions all over the world. When I started work 99% of the equipment we used was British, now we're lucky if it's 1%. We buy stuff from China now, just as good and half the price. It used to be Japanese, then Korean and now Chinese. There's no markets out there that the Chinese haven't already beaten us to and we don't have much heavy industry; we are even getting the Chinese to build our nuclear power stations. All's we have are high Tec and luxury itens which have a limited market which is generally first world countries of which most are in the EU or which the EU has trade agreements with.

Jim

[Royal]

So what you're saying is that all unemployment is down to the EU but then quote it's only 5% in the UK, a bit of a contradiction don't you think.

No Jim, as you well know, I wasn't saying that. I was refuting your suggestion that Brexit has/will automatically trigger higher unemployment in the UK.

Wouldn't you think it's more to do with the specific countries named and how they operate.

Exactly my point. Brexit has nothing to do with it. Once again, your assertions are contradictory. On the one hand, you quote Brexit as causing higher unemployment than state that it's more to do with individual countries...

[Jim B]

Brexit has everything to do with the loss of of the jobs I mentioned; if you lose 1000 plus jobs because they are moving two Agencies back to another EU country because the UK is leaving that's directly beacuse of Brexit and this is causing higher employment. You were talking about high unemployment in EU countries and indicating it was because of being in the EU, nothing mentioned about Brexit.

Jim

[cyprusgrump]

Brexit has everything to do with the loss of of the jobs I mentioned; if you lose 1000 plus jobs because they are moving two Agencies back to another EU country because the UK is leaving that's directly beacuse of Brexit and this is causing higher employment. You were talking about high unemployment in EU countries and indicating it was because of being in the EU, nothing mentioned about Brexit.

Jim

Leaving a huge bureaucracy results in bureaucrats losing jobs shocker.

[Jimgward]

The suggestions that unemployment rates are important, ignores the current position.

In 2007, there weren't Zero hour contracts. There wasn't as attractive Minimum wages either, but generally, most people feel much better off than now.

Public sector pay rises since 2007, have added maybe 7% to their salaries.... Inflation has meant that effectively they are between 10 and 20% worse off and if real inflation is used, probably higher. (i.e. not taking some things out of inflation figures) However, since mortgage rates have been low, most are doing ok but nowhere near as well off as 2007.

So, in ten years, for the first time since WWII, most are worse off, unless you are a very wealthy or high-earning individual.

The downturn in retail index I am sure will continue as a result of this 'austerity" and may well move us towards recession, especially if interest rates increase...

[Poppy]

I have to say that since returning to the UK I have been surprised to say the least at how well off people appear to be. The large posh cars on our estate alone dwarf my lovely little Nissan Note! When I was in the Hairdressers on Saturday the girls were telling me how busy they were with weddings and that many weddings are costing circa 30,000. When I remarked that it seemed an awful lot of money when apparently young people were struggling to buy houses they disputed this and practically told me I was a right old fogey( albeit in a nice way!!) Money is for spending with no thought to the future.