Scottish independence

[Jim B]

Surely it was British Oil & Gas….

Well the many years I worked up there it was Mobil Oil, Amoco, Chevron, Shell, BP etc, etc.
The only all British Platform I worked on was BNOC Thistle but that was privatised in the eighties.
So in answer to your question, no, it was privately owned companies.

So it wasn’t Scottish Oil and Gas either then?

No because Thatcher sold the licenses off to mostly foriegn operators, the.Scots really had no say in the matter of what happened to their oil and gas.

[Jim B]

I don't really understand what you're getting at. The Southern Gas Fields and Morecambe Bay Field which is 16 miles ofshore are on the English Continental Shelf whereas the North Oil Fields are on the Scottish and Shetland Shelf.

[Kili01]

It would be a sad day if the United Kingdom was broken up into a series of small states, and I wonder, but doubt if it would work financially and or for defence purposes. Our strength is in being together, both from a military and administrative aspect.. We have enough problems administering the Irish border, with half the country being in the EU with a different currency. It might also put our country back several hundred years to when there was lawlessness and some bloody wars between Scotland and the rest. If you look at the shattered remains of the castles in Northumberland, and again on the Scottish side its easy to imagine how violent the fighting was!!
The Scots bearing banners and bagpipes led by the militant Nicola in 2023! What a picture.
Heh, I'm being facetious, being half Scottish myself.

Dee

[WHL]

It would be a sad day if the United Kingdom was broken up into a series of small states, and I wonder, but doubt if it would work financially and or for defence purposes. Our strength is in being together, both from a military and administrative aspect.. We have enough problems administering the Irish border, with half the country being in the EU with a different currency. It might also put our country back several hundred years to when there was lawlessness and some bloody wars between Scotland and the rest. If you look at the shattered remains of the castles in Northumberland, and again on the Scottish side its easy to imagine how violent the fighting was!!
The Scots bearing banners and bagpipes led by the militant Nicola in 2023! What a picture.
Heh, I'm being facetious, being half Scottish myself.

Dee

Fill your boots


https://youtu.be/hIvRkjOd1f8

[Maggie B]

Why on earth can we not ALL be independent Countries but stick together like 's☆it to a blanket?

That way, nobody feels like the underdog . . . . .or the one being dictated to?

It's simple really. Sorry Devil Boy but I am now 100% for Scottish Independence . . . . . . in fact, in my opinion, everybody (in all 4 Coutries) would be happy without the whinging Scots, Irish, Welsh or English annoying each other. If everyone was free to make their own choices . . . . . . . they would have to live with their own consequences.

I honestly now believe freedom for all of the UK . . . . .and I also believe we would and could make it work.

Maggie B

[WHL]

Why on earth can we not ALL be independent Countries but stick together like 's☆it to a blanket?

That way, nobody feels like the underdog . . . . .or the one being dictated to?

It's simple really. Sorry Devil Boy but I am now 100% for Scottish Independence . . . . . . in fact, in my opinion, everybody (in all 4 Coutries) would be happy without the whinging Scots, Irish, Welsh or English annoying each other. If everyone was free to make their own choices . . . . . . . they would have to live with their own consequences.

I honestly now believe freedom for all of the UK . . . . .and I also believe we would and could make it work.

Maggie B

I like your thinking but I think northern Ireland might put a spanner in the works

[Devil]

Why on earth can we not ALL be independent Countries but stick together like 's☆it to a blanket?

That way, nobody feels like the underdog . . . .
Maggie B

Sorry, Maggie, but everybody would feel like they WERE the underdog!

[Dominic]

I have often wondered why we have British athletics teams but English, Scottish, Welsh and NI football and rugby teams.

[Devil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vh-wEXvdW8 explains it all

[Maggie B]

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I like your thinking but I think northern Ireland might put a spanner in the works
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I agree but, are they not putting a 'spanner in the works' right now? . . . . Not that I blame them for that BTW.

Maggie

[Maggie B]

Why on earth can we not ALL be independent Countries but stick together like 's☆it to a blanket?

That way, nobody feels like the underdog . . . .
Maggie B

Sorry, Maggie, but everybody would feel like they WERE the underdog!

Aye well. That may not be a wholly bad thing.

MB

[Jimgward]

It’s strange how a common talk, is that Scotland couldn’t afford to go it alone. How would they have afforded Covid etc. etc.

Funny how Ireland, Finland, Denmark, Estonia, Norway and many other countries of around 5m people are doing much better than the combined UK….

The UK BORROWED every penny for Covid. Scotland could have borrowed what it needed. I doubt we would have had a VIP route for suppliers of PPE or would have given Serco £37bn for a failed test and trace. The UK waster well over £100bn on Covid suppliers that were corrupt., I wonder how many have contributed to the Tory party.

Scotland is fed up being tied to a Banana Republic under people like Boris Johnson. The next in line will just be another liar and fraud.

The Union has been in place for over 300 years. Scotland has averaged about 10% of the UK, so how would the English regard parliament being run from Edinburgh for the next 30 years? What if they had a government they never voted for, for over 50 years. Dragged out the EU. Lied to constantly, Thatcher about the extent of North Sea reserves through to the manipulation of this present Tory debacle.

In 2014, they were promised that a vote for Independence would take Scotland out of the EU and only by voting No, could Scotland remain in the EU. Lies.

The EU has promised a Norway-type status to Scotland immediately, moving towards independence.

I go back to how small countries can perform on the world stage and 1st world small countries generally have the highest, highest public services etc.

I will post later, a great video of one of the world's top-ten economists, who happens to be Scottish, talking about the road to independence and how Scotland would do.

Remember, Westminster doesn't want Scottish Independence as;

A) the land mass halves almost
B) the for regard for England on the work stage drops - no longer G7 etc.
c) nowhere for Nuclear weapons
D) lack of access to resources Scotland would hold - wind, wave, water, oil, gas etc.

Most Scots want to use the SNP as a vehicle for Independence. The SNP would then become one party amongst others.

The English overwhelmingly hate Nicola Sturgeon despite her being the most credible party (oops) leader in the UK.

[Henann]

Well said Jimgward. And another thing it is the will of the Scottish people.

[Jim B]

Well said Jimgward. And another thing it is the will of the Scottish people.

I prefer the map which shows the Scottish border running from the Dee to the Humber. I watched a really interesting documentary by Rory Stuart MP which suggested that was the original border but the Romans decided to split the countries along Hadrians Wall
I'm sure it will be available on YouTube.

[Dominic]

Most Scots want to use the SNP as a vehicle for Independence. The SNP would then become one party amongst others.

No they don't. Most Scots voted to remain in the UK.

[Jimgward]

Most Scots want to use the SNP as a vehicle for Independence. The SNP would then become one party amongst others.

No they don't. Most Scots voted to remain in the UK.

Wrong. Only in 2014. Most Scot’s voted the SNP at the last national and council elections, on a manifesto of Independence.

So, a few years in politics is a lifetime in some ways

[Jimgward]

We could have an Independent Scotland, with a England/Wales trading protocol, with Scotland Ireland in the EU….. Many companies, such as financial, would choose to have Scottish offices to sit astride both…. Scotland would benefits and….. methinks…

Northumberland, Yorskhire, Cumbria, Merseyside, Manchester etc. would rather join Scotland.

A Blue wall….

[Dominic]

Most Scots want to use the SNP as a vehicle for Independence. The SNP would then become one party amongst others.

No they don't. Most Scots voted to remain in the UK.

Wrong. Only in 2014. Most Scot’s voted the SNP at the last national and council elections, on a manifesto of Independence.

So, a few years in politics is a lifetime in some ways

No, you are wrong. In the 2021 elections, they got 47.7% of the vote. Close to 48%, which is quite eerie...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-sc ... s-57028315

[Jimgward]

No they don't. Most Scots voted to remain in the UK.

Wrong. Only in 2014. Most Scot’s voted the SNP at the last national and council elections, on a manifesto of Independence.

So, a few years in politics is a lifetime in some ways

No, you are wrong. In the 2021 elections, they got 47.7% of the vote. Close to 48%, which is quite eerie...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-sc ... s-57028315

And the Greens took them over the 50%, the Greens were also lobbying on an Independence card!

[Jimgward]

Also, the Scottish voting system was proportional to prevent any party getting an outright majority! The SNP almost achieved it and will at the next elections!