Martin McGuinness Dead

[Ramone]

Best news I've had all day !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[geoffreys]

May he rest in peace.
Bad guy turned good!
Geoff.

[Pete G]

"I have never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure" - Mark Twain

[panoscouse]

May he Rot in Hell for all the suffering he caused to innocent people.

[geoffreys]

May he Rot in Hell for all the suffering he caused to innocent people.

Both sides of the divide had blood on their hands as did the British army. I doubt the peace process would ever have got off the ground had it not been for McGuinness' efforts.
Geoff.

[panoscouse]

May he Rot in Hell for all the suffering he caused to innocent people.

Both sides of the divide had blood on their hands as did the British army. I doubt the peace process would ever have got off the ground had it not been for McGuinness' efforts.
Geoff.

I'm not referencing any sides of 'the divide' .
Maybe a peace process wouldn't have been needed to get of the ground had it not been for the likes of mcguinness.
A peace process that should have been achieved in the sixties.

I'm all for rebellion and fighting causes but not at the expense of innocent people.

[Ramone]

That excuse of a man orchestrated the deaths of hundreds of innocent people through indiscriminately bombings & shootings.
Not to mention the soldiers that were killed in the so called troubles.
But in the end he helped a peace process, That of course was nothing to do with the IRA starting to fall apart & the people of Northern Ireland wanting an end to the ongoing daily violence.
There are one or two more who wouldn’t be missed if they dropped dead today either, But hey, one can always hope.

[geoffreys]

That excuse of a man orchestrated the deaths of hundreds of innocent people through indiscriminately bombings & shootings.
Not to mention the soldiers that were killed in the so called troubles.
But in the end he helped a peace process, That of course was nothing to do with the IRA starting to fall apart & the people of Northern Ireland wanting an end to the ongoing daily violence.
There are one or two more who wouldn’t be missed if they dropped dead today either, But hey, one can always hope.

So you clearly support the other side (Loyalists) - that is up to you.
Fact is a man has died and all you can do is speak ill of the dead.
There is good and bad in everyone it seems.
Geoff.

[geoffreys]

Let's not forget that Geoffrey's judgement is flawed on so many fronts; he can actually see no wrong in Trump

I love you too baby!
No doubt those whi flinch when they see film of the Queen meeting McGuinness will be having heart attacks when she does likewise with
USA President Trump later this year!

Geoff.

[tonee]

Brilliant.Must find out where they bury him,Milltown cemetery perhaps with all the rest of the IRA scum,I,ll dance on his grave.Noraid was a big funder of the IRA in the States(mainly New York and Boston),when the Twin towers disaster happened,funding ceased,the IRA was a spent force,if Bliar had left the issue for a bit longer,who knows,but I,m sure the murderers that were let free would have been to justice.
Geoff,until unless some of the atrocities effect you or your family you may have a different view.
Now,who,s taking bets on Gerry Adams kicking it, Ha!

[Pete G]

Now,who,s taking bets on Gerry Adams kicking it, Ha!

Hopefully, via a 5.56 enema

[Ramone]

Geoffrey's, I do not support either side.
I just witnessed first hand in the 80s what McGuiness and his cronies did to many innocent people on both sides.
They didn't care what or who would be killed as long as they got a good body count.
" bad guy turned good" you have obviously lived a very sheltered & blinkered life.

[cyprusgrump]

Love her or hate her, I think Katie Hopkins sums this up quite nicely:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... pkins.html

Agreed.

See also, Norman Tebbit:

I’m just pleased that the world is a sweeter and cleaner place now. He was not only a multi-murderer, he was a coward. He knew that the IRA were defeated because British intelligence had penetrated right the way up to the Army Council and that the end was coming. He then sought to save his own skin and he knew that it was likely he would be charged before long with several murders which he had personally committed and he decided that the only thing to do was to opt for peace. He claimed to be a Roman Catholic. I hope that his beliefs turn out to be true and he’ll be parked in a particularly hot and unpleasant corner of hell for the rest of eternity.

[Jimgward]

I have no feelings for Mc`Guinness. But I am realistic enough to know, that atrocities were committed on all sides. The original Peace Movement was because of persecution, lack of rights and injustice. Attrocities like Bloody Sunday and more stoked the fires and gave the power to 'terrorist' units on both sides. No doubt McGuiness was part of that.

Peace as it exists is partly due to McGuinness, as well as other 'terrorists' on all sides.... I could name Blair and others in that process, as both peace maker and terrorist.

Likewise, Thatcher was instrumental in prolonging the process, through mishandling and allowing British troops and forces to back sides at the expense of moral justice. The FRU (force reconnaisanonce unit) being a case in point.

We should all be thankful that peace appears to be lasting and that proper management of a province can prevail, now that all armed forces are in the background.

[geoffreys]

I have no feelings for Mc`Guinness. But I am realistic enough to know, that atrocities were committed on all sides. The original Peace Movement was because of persecution, lack of rights and injustice. Attrocities like Bloody Sunday and more stoked the fires and gave the power to 'terrorist' units on both sides. No doubt McGuiness was part of that.

Peace as it exists is partly due to McGuinness, as well as other 'terrorists' on all sides.... I could name Blair and others in that process, as both peace maker and terrorist.

Likewise, Thatcher was instrumental in prolonging the process, through mishandling and allowing British troops and forces to back sides at the expense of moral justice. The FRU (force reconnaisanonce unit) being a case in point.

We should all be thankful that peace appears to be lasting and that proper management of a province can prevail, now that all armed forces are in the background.

Excellent post, says it all.
Geoff.

[cyprusgrump]

Forgiveness Requires Contrition

Whatever Martin McGuinness may have done since the IRA ceased its terror campaign, not once did he apologise to the families of those murdered during that campaign. He talked of his war being over. Well, maybe, but for those left behind, the whereabouts of the disappeared will never be over. The pain of loss still lingers and will continue to do so for those who had their loved ones brutally murdered by McGuinness and his accomplices. The IRA was not an army; it was a violent criminal gang that waged murder and mayhem on innocent civilians. And, frankly, its ranks got off too damned lightly after the vile murders they committed.

Peace talks, though, I can understand. Reconciliation is always a good thing. But ultimately, it needs for those responsible to own up to it and say “sorry”. Only then can forgiveness be deserved. McGuinness has never said “sorry” – nor has that other insincere apologist for murder; Gerry Adams. So, yeah, I’m with Katie Hopkins and Norman Tebbit on this one.

He puts it much more eloquently than I ever could...

[Devil]

But not a single word on that equally evil man, the late Ian Paisley. What was worse with him is that he claimed to be a man of God, a total murdering (by proxy) hypocrite.

What we forget is that, in any conflict, there are two sides, both of which are evil. NI was no exception. The tragedy is that the UK was embroiled in it, since William III and the battle of the Boyne, and therefore became one of the evil-doers, over centuries.

I take no sides because both were evil and wrong. Just think of the provocation engendered by the Orange Day parades, even today.

I'm aware that this post will not be popular, but just reflect on why it isn't.

[cyprusgrump]

But not a single word on that equally evil man, the late Ian Paisley. What was worse with him is that he claimed to be a man of God, a total murdering (by proxy) hypocrite.

What we forget is that, in any conflict, there are two sides, both of which are evil. NI was no exception. The tragedy is that the UK was embroiled in it, since William III and the battle of the Boyne, and therefore became one of the evil-doers, over centuries.

I take no sides because both were evil and wrong. Just think of the provocation engendered by the Orange Day parades, even today.

I'm aware that this post will not be popular, but just reflect on why it isn't.

I don't think anybody has claimed that there were not others that did terrible things during 'The Troubles'...

But this thread is about McGuinness and the fact that others did the same (perhaps worse) doesn't make him any less of an evil murderer...

The world is a better place for his passing IMHO....

[geoffreys]

But not a single word on that equally evil man, the late Ian Paisley. What was worse with him is that he claimed to be a man of God, a total murdering (by proxy) hypocrite.

What we forget is that, in any conflict, there are two sides, both of which are evil. NI was no exception. The tragedy is that the UK was embroiled in it, since William III and the battle of the Boyne, and therefore became one of the evil-doers, over centuries.

I take no sides because both were evil and wrong. Just think of the provocation engendered by the Orange Day parades, even today.

I'm aware that this post will not be popular, but just reflect on why it isn't.

Well you are saying what I was trying to say.
Also there is the matter of "bloody sunday" - where the British Forces blotted their copy book.
The only way now is continuation of the peace process - first they have to resolve their power sharing politics!
Geoff.

[cyprusgrump]

But not a single word on that equally evil man, the late Ian Paisley. What was worse with him is that he claimed to be a man of God, a total murdering (by proxy) hypocrite.

What we forget is that, in any conflict, there are two sides, both of which are evil. NI was no exception. The tragedy is that the UK was embroiled in it, since William III and the battle of the Boyne, and therefore became one of the evil-doers, over centuries.

I take no sides because both were evil and wrong. Just think of the provocation engendered by the Orange Day parades, even today.

I'm aware that this post will not be popular, but just reflect on why it isn't.

Well you are saying what I was trying to say.
Also there is the matter of "bloody sunday" - where the British Forces blotted their copy book.
The only way now is continuation of the peace process - first they have to resolve their power sharing politics!
Geoff.

The army wasn't sent there on a whim to upset the locals - they were sent to keep the two sides apart. They had the unenviable task of trying to keep the peace and many of them were murdered for it.

The 'Peace Process' was put in place to bring an end to the almost daily atrocities committed by the likes of McGuinness at a time that suited them.

Many hundreds of lives on all sides could have been saved had he chosen that course earlier or ideally not started his murderous campaign at all. McGuinness wasn't some sort of unconnected third-party who swooped in and brought peace to the province, he was personally actively involved in the carnage.