The Rosy EU

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Firefly » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:02 pm

As I see it, Mrs May has to go and quickly if we are to have any chance of delivering Brexit. It seems that only she cannot see the mess she's making of the whole thing, we must have someone stronger to lead our Country at this time. Members of Parliament are bickering like children amongst themselves, it's shameful. As for an agreement with Corbyn, God forbid.
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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Devil » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:40 pm

Firefly wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:02 pm
As I see it, Mrs May has to go and quickly
As I said before, both major parties are engaged in internecine warfare and the smaller ones are no better. If Theresa left, as you suggest, the country would be no better off because there is no one, no - not a soul, with a big enough wingspan wide enough to take over. No matter who, the result would be just as much chaos as now, if not more.

In my role as wise dictator, I'd call a general election with the proviso that no current or past MP would be permitted to be re-elected. Maybe with a new set of MPs, they would take their job seriously and work out an equitable solution, one way or another. I'll make one exception; I'd keep John Bercow as Speaker; he is the only witty bright light in a dismal, dark, chamber.

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Firefly » Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:32 pm

Devil

You may well have the solution apart from Bercow, can't stand the man.
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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Jimgward » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:28 pm

The big mistake, in my opinion, has been in trying to make the leap, without stages. We should have transitioned better. i.e. leave with Customs Union, changing to single market after 2 - 3 years

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Jim B » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:23 am

I can't recall ever calling the EU Utopia but there you go; people read what they want to read. I have said and still believe the ordinary people have benefited greatly from membership with rights that our successive governments would never have given us left to their own devices.
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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:05 am

ronk wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:16 pm
So tell me HIC, you left the UK for good I think I read (I may be wrong)..exactly why are you so concerned with what goes on there?/

We are both expats of many years in Cyprus. As are many on this forum. And I am as entitled as you to have an opinion on this tragic, failed, shambolic endeavour called Brexit.

And while we're at it, I can't help but reflect on the pasting I took from Brexiteers two years ago when I dared suggest that "it would all end in tears", that "the UK was in the process of committing hara-kiri" and that "the EU holds all the aces". G*d, how I was shot down for that last one :lol: And today we have May traipsing though Europe begging for clemency from EU leaders.

You make an artform of regurgitating past posts of mine, so please do me a favour and go back 2-3 years in the Political section and see how "prescient" my posts of that time were ;)

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Devil » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:10 pm

Firefly wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:32 pm
You may well have the solution apart from Bercow, can't stand the man.
He is a great character!
www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-4786679 ... it-stardom

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Firefly » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:15 pm

To you Devil, maybe.
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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Jim B » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:56 pm

Devil wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:10 pm
Firefly wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:32 pm
You may well have the solution apart from Bercow, can't stand the man.
He is a great character!
www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-4786679 ... it-stardom
I agree Devil, he's very witty and is his own man. The Tories hate him because he shows no favouritism towards them.

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Firefly » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:21 pm

Each to their own.
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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:13 am

In a very recent post someone repeated the oft quoted lie, peddled on the side of the red bus at the time of the referendum, that the UK would save €350 million a week by leaving the EU.

We all know the real figure, with rebate, was half that. And of course, if the UK leaves with a deal, it has agreed to recompense the EU around £48 billion by way of honouring it's financial commitments.

But now we discover that in addition to all the other less visible costs (slump in the value of the pound, increased costs to industry and retail by virtue of a weak GBP, loss of workers in the health, agriculture and hospitality sectors etc), the government now discovers it has racked up a £1.5 billion cost on contingency planning for a No Deal Brexit. Article below from today's Guardian, but I am sure it will be verifiable elsewhere.

Expensive business this Brexit. Hard to see any savings coming from it, even over a very expended period.


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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Jimgward » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:51 am

The effect on our GDP over 3 years, would have paid any EU bill for the next 5 years.... Then there’s losses due to markets, currencies and more.... As you say, Lloyd, an expensive business

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Jimgym » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:12 pm

Interesting reading. Thank you Ronk.

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:22 pm

ronk, clearly nitpicking is not a lost art. But your point was...?

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Jimgward » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:14 pm

A ‘visitor’ does not stay for a prolonged, semi-permanent or extended period. They then stop being a ‘visitor’

I’m coming to Cyprus on Wednesday, for a week. I’m visiting.

Interesting how some would define an ‘expat’ as a better class of immigrant..... something I find abhorrent. An expat could be any nationality, but only referred to as an expat, by they own nationality. Otherwise, immigrant is a better description.

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Jim B » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:13 pm

I believe the "WE" referred to HIC and me rather than HIC and you.
I think you're nit picking about the word "Expat, not a word I generally use but many still do, especially those who work overseas rather than those who have permanently emigrated.
So basically you're saying that British citizens who live overseas should have no say or input into how the country is run even though we are affected by decisions made by the UK government. Most of us still pay taxes into the coffers of HM Treasury in one way or another and many contributed to the country all their working lives until retiring to the sun to enjoy their twilight years.
We have as much right as you to either comment or complain how the country is being run whether a Leaver or Remainer.
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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Jimgward » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:51 pm

Ronk, did you live in cyprus? If so, you’re not a visitor. End of. If in doub’t, start again.

ARGUMENTS BREXITERS NO LONGER MAKE:
£350m a week for NHS
Turkey about to join EU
Parliamentary sovereignty (MPs = traitors obvs)
Boost for economy
Global, prosperous Britain (now not likely for 50 years at least)

ONLY ARGUMENT THEY STILL MAKE:
Will of the people 3 years ago

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Happy in Cyprus » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:15 am

Am I the only one who finds ronks's posts difficult to read and decipher, because of the way he paraphrases and incorporates other poster's comments within his text? That plus poor paragraph/line spacing.

The forum software has an excellent facility for highlighting other posters comments which you wish to refer and respond to - why not use it?

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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Lincoln » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:47 am

RONK. Your phrases are so mixed up and confusing to me. I cannot follow what you are even trying to say. So I give up.
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Re: The Rosy EU

Post by Jim B » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:15 am

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>JimB..you say "I believe the "WE" referred to HIC and me rather than HIC and you." Oh please..
It goes - my question - "Quote: So tell me HIC, you left the UK for good I think I read (I may be wrong)..exactly why are you so concerned with what goes on there?
His answer "We are both expats of many years in Cyprus. As are many on this forum. And I am as entitled as you to have an opinion on this."
He wouldn't say that to a like-minded poster like you now would he..just think about it Jim. (HIC could explain what he meant .. but if he says otherwise then he is telling porkies imo.)

Right Jim ..that's that cleared up ..so now on to your next point... you say I'm "nitpicking" about the term "expat". "Nitpicking"!.. a term HIC used just a few hours ago (you picked up on it eh..how predictable) ..call it what you will.. the term "expat" sucks as do those who (still) use it.

Then you come out with -
"So basically you're saying that British citizens who live overseas should have no say or input into how the country is run even though we are affected by decisions made by the UK government. Most of us still pay taxes into the coffers of HM Treasury in one way or another and many contributed to the country all their working lives until retiring to the sun to enjoy their twilight years.
We have as much right as you to either comment or complain how the country is being run whether a Leaver or Remainer."

That is not at all what I said to anyone or HIC Jim ..so come ..simply quote me on here where I said that..please do.
I said (to HIC) "you left the UK for good I think I read (I may be wrong)..exactly why are you so concerned with what goes on there?
n.b. on the thread you can see I emboldened the word "so".
You see Jim I just don't get it..you said "many contributed to the country all their working lives until retiring to the sun to enjoy their twilight years." - then O.K. enjoy those few years away from the land of your birth if you wish..but why get so hung up about the country that you left behind?

I then said earlier today at 2.56 pm - ">HIC - of course you are as entitled as anyone to have an opinion.. on any matter".
Is that plain-speaking enough for you Jim?
Considering you have stated several times in your posts that you still live in the UK or would not want to live in Cyprus I can't understand how you believe HIC would refer to you both as being Expats of many years in Cyprus.
The term Expat may suck to you but to many it's just that a term.
You asked the question why are we so concerned about what happens in the UK since we've left the country; what you don't appear to comprehend is what happens in the UK can have a detrimental affect on British Citizens who live overseas. That's why we get so "hung up" about it, that's both LEAVERS and Remainers.

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