Brexit Bill

[Royal]

What an excellent article kingfisher. Thanks for posting.

[Jimgym]

Thank you Kingfisher, very interesting!

[Firefly]

Kingfisher

Sums things up nicely.

Jackie

[Devil]

It is outrageous to the elite that the work of the Devil should prevail.

How dare the writer take my name in vain?

[Jimgym]

It is outrageous to the elite that the work of the Devil should prevail.

How dare the writer take my name in vain?

I was wondering if you'd comment on that line!

[Firefly]

Jimgym

Crossed my mind too

Jackie

[June]

Good post Kingfisher, thanks.

Devil

[kingfisher]

I should have credited the author, James Bartholemew.
The article reminded me of the quip: “Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach; and those who can’t teach, teach teachers”…
Another good one in the same vein, if you’re not rushing out to your Mensa meeting,is:

[Jimgward]

I wouldn’t want to requote that tosh, as that’s all it is. I’ve rarely seen anything so full of presupposed garbage.

I wonder what schools

• younlot

really went to, if you truly believe schools teach politics. I have experience of many and never came across this at all. Kids leave school grounded on academia, not ideals, other than moral. The notion that they are indoctrinated to believe in socialist dogma is nothing but right-wing fantasy.

[Firefly]

Jim

Please explain 'younlot' I don't understand it, but then I don't belong to Mensa

Jackie

[Jimgym]

I didn't require proof Lloyd firstly because I didn't believe the money was going to the NHS and I don't believe it was promised to the NHS by anyone in a position to do so. Secondly how do you know I accepted it? Thirdly, how do you know I voted for Brexit? Your assumptions are getting worse! As I said, I prefer facts. You really ought to do some more research before making wild assumptions to suit your rather silly argument.

[smudger]

Good points Jimgym

[Varky]

Nowhere did anyone promise to give £350,000 per week to the NHS. Please read what was actually written on the side of the bus. "We send £350,000 per week to the EU". This is true. That we get back approximately half of it back wasn't mentioned and I agree is misleading. The writing also said that we could give more to the NHS. It didn't say that the NHS would get £350,000 per week. It just said "more".
With politicians from all sides, one must read what they actually say and not interpret things further down the line.

A bit like HiC and his use of words such as "probably" etc. Read what they actually say.

Personally I knew that there would not be £350,000 available. But who knows what the EU would have done later, if we remained, as the French are demanding, that the rebate would be withdrawn. But that is all conjecture.

[boycott]

Varky, have read of some of these articles about the 350 MILLION not 350k per week and where it was alleged to go.

https://www.google.com.cy/search?q=brex ... on&ie=&oe=

[Varky]

Varky, have read of some of these articles about the 350 MILLION not 350k per week and where it was alleged to go.
https://www.google.com.cy/search?q=brex ... on&ie=&oe=

Sorry, didn't put in enough zeros. Nothwithstanding this my comment remains valid.

[Royal]

Part of the final Brexit bill will be a payment towards EU official's pensions. According to The Times, the UK bill for this one item alone could amount to £10Bn. No wonder the EU negotiating team are so stuck on this one issue! Until resolved their pensions are not safe. The term 'Snouts in the trough' comes to mind for Msrs Barnier Junckers et al.

It's worthy of note that the average UK pension is £18,000 per year. Compare that with the EU officials average pension of £46,000 per year - the higher officials are on £136,000 per year. These are annual pensions. In comparison, our Prime Ministers annual salary is around £149,000.

EU officials retire at 62 and receive pensions of 70% of final salary - which we all pay towards. Who said that the EU is NOT a gravy train?

Be it £20 billion, £30 billion or £80 billion, the important thing to remember about Britain's divorce bill will not be an arbitrary number plucked out of the air. Brussels and the UK have to agree a formula for calculating the total but it will be a function of the EU's various budget liabilities that the UK currently owes too.

That is why it matters for the UK that the EU's accounts, published yesterday, reveal that the cost of pensions liabilities for EU officials rose last year to to €67.2billion (£59billion), more than doubling in the past decade. The soaring bill could add as much as £10billion on to Britain's eventual settlement.

On average, EU officials retire at 62 and receive £46,000 a year. They pay 10.1 per cent towards their 70 per cent of final salary pension, which is worth more than €155,000 (£136,000) a year to those on the highest Brussels pay grades. The average British pension income is £18,100.

The cost of EU pensions has been driven by rising staff numbers between 2000 and 2010, a period when the EU institutions grew by 53 per cent.

A growing part of the pensions bill is for retired MEPs. Under a scheme created by the European parliament in 2009, MEPs pay no contributions to their pensions. Their pension is worth more than €17,000 for each five-year term served as an MEP. The scheme's liabilities grew more than €230 million over its first five years.