Jerusalem

[Jimgward]

Exactly that, Dominic. I also asked on the thread about Roy Moore being anti-Semitic and you supporting him, come what may, because it suited the extreme right-wing attitude of Trump. He bowed out.

[exodus]

For Dominic:
No, I am not side-stepping any issues, but I did say quite a few weeks ago I was not prepared to debate Israel/Palestine/Trump if it meant a thread degenerating into a slanging match or an anti-semitic one.
Regards Trump there is an anti-Trump dialog building up a head of steam everywhere (incl on this forum) which gets in the way of constructive debate.
No surprise I am sure when I tell you I think Trump is the best thing since sliced bread, and that of course the USA has kept my Country afloat economically for years.
We don't bite the hand that feeds us!
Amos.

[WHL]

In other words if I cant put up an argument, I will hide behind the ''Anti semitic''...label and take my ball home.

[exodus]

In other words if I cant put up an argument, I will hide behind the ''Anti semitic''...label and take my ball home.

Not so at all.
But if it makes you happy you think that.
Amos.

[WHL]

I dont think im the only one that thinks that?

[Jimgward]

The reality is, that the US willk continue to support Israel, financially, militarily and with policitcal support, come what may, no matter the president.

Trump, however, is the first to support ANYTHING Israel wants, irrespective of the consequences. He wont say anything negative about israel. If that’s what you want, fine. However, I’d respect you more if you realise NO administration in ANY country is beyond reproach. Israel has more problems to deal with than most and we acknowledge that on this forum. However, it doesn’t do everything right. Far from it. It needs condemnation from the wilder community regarding its position re Palestine, Palestinians per se and particularly Gaza. I have Jewish friends who totally agree with me on that.

[Rita Sherry]

I agree with Jimgward and Hudswell on this one. Goodwill with sincerity on both sides.

Rita

[Dominic]

I dont think im the only one that thinks that?

You aren't, and you are quite right.

[Jimgward]

If there’s one area where peace at Xmas should be the hope for everyone, it’s the Holy Land - Holy to at least 3 religions...

[Dominic]

That's got nothing to do with it. If you cannot discuss something without saying "it is anti-semitism" every time you cannot answer a question, you shouldn't really try and discuss it, because it isn't a discussion, it is a monologue.

[Poppy]

I am absolutely amazed at some of the posts on this topic. Amos is an Israeli and yet many of you think that you know more on the subject of Jerusalem etc than he does. Yes of course he has his viewpoint from being an Israeli citizen which may differ from a Palestinians view point but I would argue that he knows a damned sight more than any of us. You know things from the Media etc ,Amos knows it from first hand. Give the chap a break!

[WHL]

I dont think im the only one that thinks that?

You aren't, and you are quite right.

Perhaps you should walk in his shoes...just a thought...

Like the poor legless Palestinian protesting in his wheelchair, that was shot dead, oops forgot the poor man didnt have any shoes.

[outasite]

After reading all six pages of this topic I conclude that Christian countries wage war on Islam countries who wage hatred and war and terrorism on the Jewish state who wage war and hate and terror on Christian and Moslem alike and that all three of these religions preach love thy neighbour and be nice to each other and their God - because after all, there is only one God - must be laughing His cotton socks off at the disgusting way his gift of Free Will is abused.

[Jimgward]

Outside, good post.... only in the middle-east is religion the cause of conflict. (Ok, it has terrorism in other places, but not as a national idiology)

Even in Northern Ireland, religion was not the reason for the conflict, it happened to be a convenient banner to hold in front of it, but it was only an identifier, rather than the cause.

The point in Israel, is that they want it to be only a Jewish state (certainly the majority do) at the cost of Arab and Christian lives, property and rights.

Hudswell said something reasonable.... that the Palestinian State (if it exists as such) should condemn violence. I agree. But so should the Israeli. As the ‘non-terrorist’ element, perhaps they have to take the first step.

[Dominic]

I am absolutely amazed at some of the posts on this topic. Amos is an Israeli and yet many of you think that you know more on the subject of Jerusalem etc than he does. Yes of course he has his viewpoint from being an Israeli citizen which may differ from a Palestinians view point but I would argue that he knows a damned sight more than any of us. You know things from the Media etc ,Amos knows it from first hand. Give the chap a break!

Since when did being a resident of a certain country or other automatically grant somebody wisdom?

[Dominic]

Exodus mentioned "anti Semitic" once...and then it becomes an issue..because to him..it is..because let's face it...destruction of Isreal is pretty "anti Semitic" isn't it? You, me, even the esteemed WHL...we sit comfortable, never really experienced the constant threat of destruction of our country...and pontificate on the rights and wrongs...some of us have experienced war, violence, death and real hatred...not just the "I really don't like what you are saying stuff"..real in your face hatred...I did..in Northern Ireland...so perhaps we should just bow a little to experience rather than an opinion.

Actually, he's mentioned it multiple times, on multiple threads, on multiple forums.

[Poppy]

Oh come on Dominic,I am not saying Amos is wise as I don't know him and have no idea although he strikes me as being an intelligent person.What I am saying is that someone who is or was a resident of any country knows better than someone like you or me sitting at a computer and listening to the media.

[Dominic]

I'm sure if you asked a Palestinian living in Israel for their opinion you would get an entirely different response though. So which of them would you believe?

Ultimately though, there is no point arguing about it here. Like Brexit, nobody is going to convert anybody else. I just hope that one day peace and common sense does prevail.

[exodus]

I'm sure if you asked a Palestinian living in Israel for their opinion you would get an entirely different response though. So which of them would you believe?

Ultimately though, there is no point arguing about it here. Like Brexit, nobody is going to convert anybody else. I just hope that one day peace and common sense does prevail.

Neither side is blameless and over the years both sides have had blood on their hands.
The Palestinian people want peace, so do we.
The problem is, as I keep on repeating, they have been infiltrated by terrorists and the Leadership of the Palestinian Authority are scared of them.
I have told you what is required of that Leadership in order to enable a settlement to be achieved. It is not rocket science.
Merry Christmas.
Amos.

[Jimgward]

Jim, the Israelis tend to respond to violence against them...

Yes, I agree with that, although the responses isn’t the biblical “tooth for a tooth” - more 1000-1

It is going to need both sides to concede. Neither appear able to do so. The Palestinians, as Amos says, because they’re afraid of the extremist element. The Israeli side, because they’re ruled by extreme right-wing politicians, dictated to by other religious extremists, unable to give way.

The result is as we see it now.

The point I was making about the Israelis perhaps making the first steps, is because as the non-terrorist group, we expect it of them. We expect compassion and understanding and a willingness for peace, whereas we dont from the extremes on the Palestinians.... but that’s how peace generally happens.

In Northern Ireland, the British Government has to conced far more than they wanted to, as “turning the other cheek” is also a biblical lesson.