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Steve - SJD wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:30 pm
Lol - to question whether that is the case I am trying to put forward you would have to base it on something I have
written. Can you point me to that as I am not aware of discussing those issues or was it just intended for you to try and make an extreme point?
Cheers
Steve
Not at all. You did say that Farage was being inflammatory and distorting facts, and that his position was both wrong and immoral. I was inviting you to say, at least some of those things on that basis.
It seems, to me at least, that the constant attacks on Farage can [only?] be validated because Farage's position is inaccurate, or accurate but inconsequentional, and I was hoping you would clarify which you felt was the case.
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a reply from Steve (SJD) Pete - at least that has been my recent experience when I have asked him the question "does he support the House of Lords amendment?".
Geoff.
Oh dear, you do have a massive chip on your shoulder Lyn.
You are definitely in the right place - back in the UK.
I think your above comments about Nigel Farage amount to libel because they just are not true.
Anyway, as you are not a UKIP supporter, who would you vote for?
Corbyn's Party or Mrs May's Party?
Geoff.
Which does beg the question, why aren't you living in the UK, if you are such a Nationalist?
I didn't know that was a pre-requisite!
I am a UK nationalist wherever I live.
Lyn, however, is not and she now lives in the UK.
Funny old world at times isn't it Dominic!?
Geoff.
With respect, you can't be that much of a Nationalist if you don't want to actually live there surely? Look at the stick Sean Connery gets.
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Which does beg the question, why aren't you living in the UK, if you are such a Nationalist?
I didn't know that was a pre-requisite!
I am a UK nationalist wherever I live.
Lyn, however, is not and she now lives in the UK.
Funny old world at times isn't it Dominic!?
Geoff.
With respect, you can't be that much of a Nationalist if you don't want to actually live there surely? Look at the stick Sean Connery gets.
With respect, why we choose to live here is a separate issue.
Geoff.
Quite so, you live where you chose to because of your's, or your loved one's circumstances on the whole. These reasons are often personal, and nothing to do with anyone else.
As for Sean Connery, he was my heart throb in the 60s, and for me he can live where he damned well likes.
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
Of course Sean Connery can live wherever he likes. However, he was widely ridiculed for being an ardent supporter of Scottish Nationalism while living in the Bahamas.
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Dominic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:15 pm
Of course Sean Connery can live wherever he likes. However, he was widely ridiculed for being an ardent supporter of Scottish Nationalism while living in the Bahamas.
If I read you correctly you are saying that criticism is justified
Geoff.
I was more making an observation than passing judgement, if that makes sense. Personally I cannot see why an ardent Nationalist would want to live anywhere other than their home country, unless it was for health reasons or political tensions. It would be like saying you like The Beatles without actually listening to them.
In the grand scale of things it is irrelevant, but I just find it a curious anomaly.
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Firefly wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:39 pm
Why shouldn't he live in the Bahamas, many ex pats in Cyprus are British Nationalists, as was I when lived there.
Jackie
Where have I said that he shouldn't live in the Bahamas?
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Firstly, I never asked a question about Sean Connery, so there is no question to answer.
Secondly, my observation about Sean Connery is not that Sean Connery lives in the Bahamas. It is that he lives in the Bahamas and claims to be a vigourous supporter of Scottish Nationalism, a position which has generated a lot of ridicule. Similarly, if somebody says they like ballet, but never goes to see the ballet, then when they say that they like ballet, people will take their statement with a large pinch of salt.
Any question would therefore be not "Why does Sean Connery live in the Bahamas", but "Why does Sean Connery claim to be a Scottish Nationalist when he lives in the Bahamas?"
And a second question would be "How much tax payable to Scotland does Sean Connery avoid by living in the Bahamas?"
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For Dominic:
I did not say you asked a question about Sean Connery, you did not.
You DID say he was criticized for being a Scottish Nationalist and living in the Bahamas.
I asked you if YOU agreed with that criticism, well do you? Y/N?
Sorry to be pedantic but you force me into it!
Geoff.
I know you didn't Geoff. I was responding to Firefly.
I would agree with the criticism of Sean Connery, as he made a thing about his Scottish Nationalism in the press. Given that he is there dodging taxes, some of which would help out in Scotland, I think it is a bit rich to claim to be a Scottish Nationalist.
Would I criticise you for appearing to be a strong UK Nationalist while living in Cyprus? No.
Do I find it hard to believe? Yes
Do I think you are lying? No
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I didn't say you asked a question about S.C. but you did ask why a UK Nationalist would want to live in another country. You did answer that yourself I believe i.e. health reasons or political tensions. We have the highest terrorist alert since the IRA bombings in the UK, not the best way to live, and as for health, it speaks for itself. Only two reasons of course, there are probably many more
As for your comparison to ballet, I find it quite an odd observation. So if someone likes rugby, but never goes to a rugby ground to watch a match, they can't say they like rugby ??
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
If you are leaving the UK because you are worried about security then you need to change your newspaper.
People can say whatever they like about themselves. I am talking about how other people interpret what they say.
In the case of rugby, the biggest rugby fans will go and see games. The armchair fans will watch it on the telly. Nothing wrong with that in the slightest. If however, somebody who didn't watch it, either live or on TV, said that they liked Rugby, nobody would take them seriously as a rugby fan.
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Newspaper ? you don't need a newspaper to know what's going on under your nose. If I lived in one of the industrial towns in the North, I may well want to leave the UK again.
People can and do say things about themselves, but why go into an in depth inquiry about it, why not take it at face value ? Personally I would go with the latter, unless proven otherwise.
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
Dominic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:31 pm
I know you didn't Geoff. I was responding to Firefly.
I would agree with the criticism of Sean Connery, as he made a thing about his Scottish Nationalism in the press. Given that he is there dodging taxes, some of which would help out in Scotland, I think it is a bit rich to claim to be a Scottish Nationalist.
Would I criticise you for appearing to be a strong UK Nationalist while living in Cyprus? No.
Do I find it hard to believe? Yes
Do I think you are lying? No
Thank you for that Dominic - most appreciated.
I agree with you about Connery mainly because of his tax issues.
Regards
Geoff.
