Is the EU ready for turning ?

[Dominic]

Gove and Johnson both quit the leadership race.

[Firefly]

Dominic

For now..........

Jackie

[tyelaw47]

Ahhh so if you are in the Cabinet you are not in a position of power?

[Mrblobby]

It’s not all doom and gloom back in the UK , this from July this year .

It was great news to read that the recent fear-mongering over whether German giant BMW was actively considering moving production out of Britain was completely unfounded. In stark contrast to the rumours in last week’s Financial Times, BMW board member Ian Robertson confirmed in comments reported by City A.M. that “we are committed to our operations in the UK, our workforce here.” Around 60 per cent of the 378,000 Minis made by BMW last year rolled off the production line in Oxford; its factories in Swindon, Hams Hall and Oxford currently employ around 6,300 workers to make BMW engines and Mini vehicles. The assurances from BMW come after a host of foreign-owned car makers, including Japan’s Nissan and Toyota, and Vauxhall owner PSA Group, announced plans to build new models in the UK.

In other car manufacturing news, Jaguar Land Rover has just announced a £20 billion investment package over the next five years, with a focus on launching new cars and increasing the range of engines made at its factory in Wolverhampton which has doubled in size to over 2 million square feet. Investors have been told that the new all-electric i-Pace will be followed by another three new cars between now and 2023, including an all new replacement for the 70-year-old Land Rover Defender

[Jim B]

That's not what the chairman of Jaguar Land rover said yesterday.
Jim

[Mrblobby]

It’s like everything else in this comedy , they tell us one thing one minute then change the story the next , just like Barnier at the start of this thread .

The UK economy, currently the sixth-largest in the world, Is not going to alter overnight come Brexit day . Europe has goods to sell the UK has the money to spend ....simple .

This was supported by Ian Stewart, Chief Economist of Deloitte, who has said that “we are not seeing the apocalyptic slowdown which some feared would happen at the time of the referendum or any signs of a de-rating of our competitiveness”. The UK economy, currently the sixth-largest in the world, is now expected to overtake France by 2020. Our powerful services industry again picked up pace in December, growing more quickly than at any point since 2011, and the manufacturing sector is seeing the steepest rise in new business since 2000. Chris Williamson, Chief Business Economist at IHS Markit, called the economy’s performance in Q4 “a stellar end to 2017” which “rounded off the best year for over a decade”; he also noted that hiring is at a 17-year high, meaning more families have the security of a stable pay-packet.

[trevnhil]

Because of these words.. " Our powerful services industry again picked up pace in December, " would it be fair to assume that the article is around 6 month old ?

[tyelaw47]

The chairman of Jaguar Land rover did indeed warn of the drawbacks of a hard Brexit but he also stated that he remained 100% committed to the UK. Let's get the whole picture not just a part of it!
I have to say that what I am finding is that "Remainers" appear to rejoice in finding the bad aspects of any report whilst completely disregarding the good and positive whilst many of those who support Leave do appear to accept a more balanced view.

[OhSusana]

Because of these words.. " Our powerful services industry again picked up pace in December, " would it be fair to assume that the article is around 6 month old ?

Both articles are from Andrea Leadsom's website.
https://www.andrealeadsom.com/news/2018 ... in-Britain
https://www.andrealeadsom.com/news/2018 ... xit-update

In April 2013 at the Hansard Society's annual parliamentary affairs lecture, Leadsom warned against the UK leaving the European Union, stating that "I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving."
wiki

[OhSusana]

Only 199 days, 23 hours, fifty two minutes and seventeen, sorry sixteen seconds till we leave. Yippee!!
Jon.

What precisely do you expect to change in 200 days' time?
Or, like billionaire Rees Mogg, you think we may see benefits in perhaps 50 years' time?

[OhSusana]

Some news that is not months' old -
Third of UK export firms have already lost business directly due to Brexit
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 31211.html
...The survey was carried out by the University of Sussex on behalf of an alliance of 13 major UK trade bodies representing electrical, automation, laboratory, machine tool making, catering, plastics, lighting, communications and other equipment manufacturers.
The thousand UK companies represented by the 13 trade associations – making up, in value terms, a fifth of all UK manufactured goods exporters – employ 1.1 million workers and generate £52bn worth of UK exports per year.

[Dominic]

Yes, when it actually matters. When there is real work to be done clearing up the mess that the likes of Gove and Johnson helped to set in place.

Good God, would you want either of them in charge in future, when you have seen how they act in the face of a real issue?

[Jim B]

The chairman of Jaguar Land rover did indeed warn of the drawbacks of a hard Brexit but he also stated that he remained 100% committed to the UK. Let's get the whole picture not just a part of it!
I have to say that what I am finding is that "Remainers" appear to rejoice in finding the bad aspects of any report whilst completely disregarding the good and positive whilst many of those who support Leave do appear to accept a more balanced view.

Tyelaw

This is a link to the BBC article and what was actually said without any sugar coating.

The UK's biggest car maker, owned by India's Tata Motors, said its "heart and soul is in the UK".

But without friction-less trade JLR said its UK investment plans would be in jeopardy.

He told the Financial Times: "If I'm forced to go out because we don't have the right deal, then we have to close plants here in the UK and it will be very, very sad. This is hypothetical, and I hope it's an option we never have to go for."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44719656

Yes: Let's get the whole picture not just a part of it!

Jim

[tyelaw47]

Perhaps you could look at the latest statement dated this month and not July? Unfortunately I am not in a position to copy and paste this at present but he did indeed warn of the impact of a No Deal Brexit but remains 100% committed to the UK. I repeat 100%, not 95% or even 99% but 100%. It is our home he said.
All businesses are going to try to influence the Government.It is only natural and I am sure their concerns are taken into account in the contingency planning.
We will get a deal which will be beneficial to the UK and the EU I have absolutely no doubt. Now there well be parts of this Deal that may not be as good as we would have hoped for and there may be parts that will greatly benefit the UK more so than now.
Once the Deal is finally negotiated and agreed,and have no doubt it will be,are you still going to pick out as many negatives as you can or are you finally going to get behind your country of birth?

[Jim B]

Tyelaw


I hope these are current enough for you though they are two days old; I admit I clicked on the wrong link but
the chairman is reiterating what he's said in July.
I don't need lessons in loyalty to my country of birth; I watch leavers prepared to gamble on its future for little or no benefit apart from helping some billionaire tax avoiders fill their already overfilled pockets.
You may believe there will be a deal but there's a number of MPs who are working very hard to prevent it.

Jim


http://www.itv.com/news/2018-09-11/jagu ... of-brexit/

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/busines ... r-15139036

[tyelaw47]

Thank you for posting the 2nd link Jim.That is the one I was referring to.

[Jimgward]

Tyelaw


I hope these are current enough for you though they are two days old; I admit I clicked on the wrong link but
the chairman is reiterating what he's said in July.
I don't need lessons in loyalty to my country of birth; I watch leavers prepared to gamble on its future for little or no benefit apart from helping some billionaire tax avoiders fill their already overfilled pockets.
You may believe there will be a deal but there's a number of MPs who are working very hard to prevent it.

Jim


http://www.itv.com/news/2018-09-11/jagu ... of-brexit/

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/busines ... r-15139036

It is absolutely correct that this is unashamed selfish decisions for multi-millionaires and billionaires to increase their wealth. When everyone else suffers financial hardship, the rich get richer. Austerity only applies to those who work for a wage.

[kingfisher]

Why didn’t Obama, or Blair or Major- or any one of the dozens of luminaries that were wheeled out to “persuade” the masses to remain safely in the EU- tell us that leaving was only for the exclusive benefit of “millionaires and billionaires”, who would use it to “stuff their pockets”. They should have made that crystal clear in the £9,000,000 pro-remain leaflet to every household. I’m sure that would have clinched it for “remain”.
I mean, there wouldn’t have been much sympathy for those billionaires among the great unwashed, old, uneducated, thick, racist and misogynist denizens of the bleak ruins of the industrial north, who were conned into voting leave by Farage Gove and Johnson...

[Jim B]

OK
Being one of the great unwashed from the North I'll start the ball rolling with Brexi positives for the working class.

1) Blue Passports.

You're turn Jon?

Jim
PS. Camerons father was one of those involved with offshore accounts, that's why it wasn't mentioned more than likely.

[tyelaw47]

I am really lost now! Would someone care to explain to a simple soul like me just why Brexit benefits the milionaires and billionaires? Surely if this was the case then all those wealthy would all be supporting Brexit but they are not are they? Some do,some don't just as with us lesser mortals