http://www.mcb.org.uk/over-130-imams-re ... nted-move/
They also have posts like this:
http://www.mcb.org.uk/reportit/
And their front page is pretty clear about how they feel about terrorism too.
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Another terrorist attack in London last night.
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This was an interesting read on the Muslim Council of Britain website.
http://www.mcb.org.uk/over-130-imams-re ... nted-move/
They also have posts like this:
http://www.mcb.org.uk/reportit/
And their front page is pretty clear about how they feel about terrorism too.
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http://www.mcb.org.uk/over-130-imams-re ... nted-move/
They also have posts like this:
http://www.mcb.org.uk/reportit/
And their front page is pretty clear about how they feel about terrorism too.
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Living in Polemi, Cyprus with my wife and daughter.
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Steve, Dominic et al,
Do you know what? I give in.
You must all be right.
The Islamic terrorists are really just...secular terrorists. Islam, the religion of stoning to death, of severing limbs and of Jihad is really...the religion of peace. It must be true, because they themselves tell us that it is and because we actually must believe them - otherwise we are likely to be labelled as Islamophobes or arrested as talking/committing 'hate crimes'. The government tell us it's true, even though we are being bombed, shot, knifed, beheaded and run over by lorries by...well, obviously by non-Islamic terrorists who falsely call out 'Allah Akbar' as their battle cry. We'll keep on lighting up the Eiffel Tower in red white and blue, changing our Facebook profile pictures and carry out candle vigils to prove that we will not be defeated until...well until the next atrocity when we'll do it all again and have one minute silences and cuddle the nice muslims who mean us no harm. Islam - the religion of peace. Let's all embrace it. In fact, come to think of it, we're half way there already. We embrace halal meat. We encourage "Happy Holidays" rather than "Happy Christmas". We bend over backwards to provide prayer places and time during the working day for Muslims to pray. There's more, lot, lots more, but I'm sure I don't need to repeat it all. We embrace the religion of peace.
I don't know when the last time Judaism or Christianity put someone to death for adultery or of having been raped or of apostasy, but I can give links to Saudi, to Pakistan, to Iran, to Tajikistan, to Egypt, to Nigeria, to Indonesia and a myriad of other Muslim countries carrying out these sentences within the very recent past. But hey! It's really the government of these countries isn't it? Nothing to do with Islam! That's the religion of peace. We don't really have Sharia law in the UK yet do we?
I bow out.
Shalom.
Do you know what? I give in.
You must all be right.
The Islamic terrorists are really just...secular terrorists. Islam, the religion of stoning to death, of severing limbs and of Jihad is really...the religion of peace. It must be true, because they themselves tell us that it is and because we actually must believe them - otherwise we are likely to be labelled as Islamophobes or arrested as talking/committing 'hate crimes'. The government tell us it's true, even though we are being bombed, shot, knifed, beheaded and run over by lorries by...well, obviously by non-Islamic terrorists who falsely call out 'Allah Akbar' as their battle cry. We'll keep on lighting up the Eiffel Tower in red white and blue, changing our Facebook profile pictures and carry out candle vigils to prove that we will not be defeated until...well until the next atrocity when we'll do it all again and have one minute silences and cuddle the nice muslims who mean us no harm. Islam - the religion of peace. Let's all embrace it. In fact, come to think of it, we're half way there already. We embrace halal meat. We encourage "Happy Holidays" rather than "Happy Christmas". We bend over backwards to provide prayer places and time during the working day for Muslims to pray. There's more, lot, lots more, but I'm sure I don't need to repeat it all. We embrace the religion of peace.
I don't know when the last time Judaism or Christianity put someone to death for adultery or of having been raped or of apostasy, but I can give links to Saudi, to Pakistan, to Iran, to Tajikistan, to Egypt, to Nigeria, to Indonesia and a myriad of other Muslim countries carrying out these sentences within the very recent past. But hey! It's really the government of these countries isn't it? Nothing to do with Islam! That's the religion of peace. We don't really have Sharia law in the UK yet do we?
I bow out.
Shalom.
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Royal
Please dont give up. I have found your posts on this and other topics well thought out and intelligently presented
I have an English translation of the Q'aran by Marmaduke Pickthall which is the only English translation to have received the approval of the Supreme Islamic authority of Al-Azhar in Cairo. The introduction is by William Montgomery Watt who was formerly Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies in the University of Edinburgh. I have read this from cover to cover more than seven times and am at a loss to understand, like you, how this can be called a religion of Peace. It is a faith that I myself cannot envisage following personally particularly in its treatment of women. There is no flexibility so far as other faiths or no faith are concerned it is strict adherence to Islam and its teachings at all costs which must never be questionned
Do please keep posting.
Rita
Please dont give up. I have found your posts on this and other topics well thought out and intelligently presented
I have an English translation of the Q'aran by Marmaduke Pickthall which is the only English translation to have received the approval of the Supreme Islamic authority of Al-Azhar in Cairo. The introduction is by William Montgomery Watt who was formerly Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies in the University of Edinburgh. I have read this from cover to cover more than seven times and am at a loss to understand, like you, how this can be called a religion of Peace. It is a faith that I myself cannot envisage following personally particularly in its treatment of women. There is no flexibility so far as other faiths or no faith are concerned it is strict adherence to Islam and its teachings at all costs which must never be questionned
Do please keep posting.
Rita
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Oh Rita you really have made me smile!! To have read the translation from back to front not once but 7 times!! May I ask if you have trouble sleeping?!!
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Rita,
Thank you for your kind and encouraging words.
I make no excuses for the fact that I am a Christian. I am now retired, but spent 42 years in the Armed Forces - first as a Royal Marine (25 years) and then a Royal Irish Ranger (17 years).
I am so saddened by the direction our country has gone over my lifetime, but I am sick to the back teeth of having to justify my own position and stating that I'm NOT a racist, I'm NOT an Islamophobe and I'm NOT a Xenophobe. It seems that no-one is allowed, any more, to take an alternative view without being classed as some sort of "...phobe". Such is the way our society has gone and the views of what I believe to be the majority are now glossed over as being bigoted or somehow simply wrong. This attitude simply makes people stay silent - exactly what it's designed to do.
I grew up in an era when we respected our politicians and all those in authority over us, but sadly I have also seen them for what they really are - self interested, self serving and self deluded. The current crop are not just the second XI, but the third XI who are really not interested in our collective future so much as their own individual careers. For years, we have been fed some pathetic platitudes about Islamic terrorism and Islamic Fundamentalism - you know the sort of thing I'm referring to - "it's not really the teaching of Islam" (it is), and "not all terrorists are Muslim" (just 99.9%) etc. I'm genuinely saddened when I hear the mantra being repeated by others.
The discussion about Islamic terrorism is a perfect example of how we are expected to think and react. Islam is (as I have pointed out earlier) more than a religion - it is a way of life, a social construct, a justice system and a political system all rolled into one. We have pandered to this 'religion' in the name of religious tolerance for far too long and it really has become the elephant in the room. After the Bataclan attacks, the French and Western media in general were far too quick to point out that the perpetrators were actually 'French' citizens - somehow to allay our fears that it was perpetrated by Syrian/Libyan immigrants. It took far longer to release their names which (in typically French style) were Salah Abdelslam, Mohamed Abrini, Bilal Hadfi, Ahmad al Mohamed, M al Mahmod, Chakib Akrou, Abdelhamid Abaooud, Brahim Abdelslam, Omar Ismail Mostefai, Samuel Amimour and Foued Mohammed Aggad. Oh dear, am I being Islamophobic for pointing out that these names are all Islamic names - regardless of the actual nationality of the individuals? What the mainstream media NEVER reported, however, was the butchery that went on - the castrations, the torture and the gouging out of eyes of the poor victims. Why, I wonder?
How many years has the West had to put up with Islamic terrorism? Yet we still do not target the specific group which actually perpetrate the attacks (like the 11 named for the Bataclan attacks). Everyone at an airport is searched - the very old, the very young, women, babies, families - yet the terrorists are invariably 'young' 'muslim' and 'men'. There I go again - I really must not say such things - I really must slap myself in contrition,at offending Muslims. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Islam respects women so much that it takes two women to even equal the testimony of one man. Muslim girls who have been raped may be bought off if the attacker offers marriage as recompense. The religion of peace. A muslim woman who is accused of adultery may be stoned to death. The religion of peace. A muslim who turns away from Islam must be put to death. The religion of peace.
I am not responsible for educating people about Islam - everyone needs to make up their own minds about the religion of peace.
Thank you for your kind and encouraging words.
I make no excuses for the fact that I am a Christian. I am now retired, but spent 42 years in the Armed Forces - first as a Royal Marine (25 years) and then a Royal Irish Ranger (17 years).
I am so saddened by the direction our country has gone over my lifetime, but I am sick to the back teeth of having to justify my own position and stating that I'm NOT a racist, I'm NOT an Islamophobe and I'm NOT a Xenophobe. It seems that no-one is allowed, any more, to take an alternative view without being classed as some sort of "...phobe". Such is the way our society has gone and the views of what I believe to be the majority are now glossed over as being bigoted or somehow simply wrong. This attitude simply makes people stay silent - exactly what it's designed to do.
I grew up in an era when we respected our politicians and all those in authority over us, but sadly I have also seen them for what they really are - self interested, self serving and self deluded. The current crop are not just the second XI, but the third XI who are really not interested in our collective future so much as their own individual careers. For years, we have been fed some pathetic platitudes about Islamic terrorism and Islamic Fundamentalism - you know the sort of thing I'm referring to - "it's not really the teaching of Islam" (it is), and "not all terrorists are Muslim" (just 99.9%) etc. I'm genuinely saddened when I hear the mantra being repeated by others.
The discussion about Islamic terrorism is a perfect example of how we are expected to think and react. Islam is (as I have pointed out earlier) more than a religion - it is a way of life, a social construct, a justice system and a political system all rolled into one. We have pandered to this 'religion' in the name of religious tolerance for far too long and it really has become the elephant in the room. After the Bataclan attacks, the French and Western media in general were far too quick to point out that the perpetrators were actually 'French' citizens - somehow to allay our fears that it was perpetrated by Syrian/Libyan immigrants. It took far longer to release their names which (in typically French style) were Salah Abdelslam, Mohamed Abrini, Bilal Hadfi, Ahmad al Mohamed, M al Mahmod, Chakib Akrou, Abdelhamid Abaooud, Brahim Abdelslam, Omar Ismail Mostefai, Samuel Amimour and Foued Mohammed Aggad. Oh dear, am I being Islamophobic for pointing out that these names are all Islamic names - regardless of the actual nationality of the individuals? What the mainstream media NEVER reported, however, was the butchery that went on - the castrations, the torture and the gouging out of eyes of the poor victims. Why, I wonder?
How many years has the West had to put up with Islamic terrorism? Yet we still do not target the specific group which actually perpetrate the attacks (like the 11 named for the Bataclan attacks). Everyone at an airport is searched - the very old, the very young, women, babies, families - yet the terrorists are invariably 'young' 'muslim' and 'men'. There I go again - I really must not say such things - I really must slap myself in contrition,at offending Muslims. Islam is the religion of peace, after all. Islam respects women so much that it takes two women to even equal the testimony of one man. Muslim girls who have been raped may be bought off if the attacker offers marriage as recompense. The religion of peace. A muslim woman who is accused of adultery may be stoned to death. The religion of peace. A muslim who turns away from Islam must be put to death. The religion of peace.
I am not responsible for educating people about Islam - everyone needs to make up their own minds about the religion of peace.
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Royal
Like you I am no racist, BUT, it seems to me that if you speak out against Islamic terrorists you are branded a racist ! This is why so many ordinary people are afraid to speak their minds, in a country which believes in free speech, it is madness.
I agree with Rita, keep posting.
Jackie
Like you I am no racist, BUT, it seems to me that if you speak out against Islamic terrorists you are branded a racist ! This is why so many ordinary people are afraid to speak their minds, in a country which believes in free speech, it is madness.
I agree with Rita, keep posting.
Jackie
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
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Hello Poppy
Sometimes I cant sleep but I dont turn to the Q'uran to make me tired. Nor did I read it seven times at the same time. It is 678 pages in length and in many parts is made up of short verses so not too difficult a read. I read it out of curiosity some years ago to see what all the fuss was about and as I had several Muslim friends (Tunisian) to try to understand their view point. Often after discussions I would return to it and read it again. There are several seperate notes by me on various pages (I do not mark anybook in the margins - sacriledge) consequent on some discussion at the time. It does help having read it to explode some of the myths around Islam but as I have said before I personally could not adopt the faith with a blank obedience to its doctrines as is required - particularly so as a female. One thing is for sure those people who are hell bent on murdering others in the name of Allah are wide of the mark if my reading is accurate bearing in mind they have no compulsion regarding murdering other Muslims and women and children, the latter offending against all the tenents of Islam. Such people are evil pure and simple and should be routed out including those who give them assistance.
Rita
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Rita
Well said, I don't think I could read the Q'uran 7 times, but maybe if I read it once, I might understand exactly what Muslims believe, or should believe, and the laws they are supposed to live by.
Jackie
Well said, I don't think I could read the Q'uran 7 times, but maybe if I read it once, I might understand exactly what Muslims believe, or should believe, and the laws they are supposed to live by.
Jackie
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Jackie
If you do decide to read it do get the version written and translated by Marmaduke Pickthall as it is the only English translation approved by the Supreme Islamic authority of Al-Azhar in Cairo where Mr Pickthall was employed and was given two years leave of absence to translate and write same. The Q'uran is usually learned by heart due to the lack of ability to read in many areas of the world and is recited in Arabic even by those who do not know the language. I think you will be a little surprised at some of the beliefs or maybe not but it is pretty harsh and us ladies dont really count for aught nor theirs either. My own interest was down to knowing what it was all about so necessary to read it all to come to my conclusion it was never for me.
Good luck
Rita
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I come back to my severely long point on another thread, this is not a religion, it's a regime. Nothing more, nothing less, and I'm totally convinced that it simply does not deserve our reverence or respect as a religion.
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Nobody on this forum (as far as I am aware) has said you may or may not say things. People have disagreed with you. That is all.
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