Is the EU ready for turning ?

[ApusApus]

Yep, but don't expect the doom & gloom scenarios to stop anytime soon ……………… we've got at least another 6 months of this!


Shane

[Jim B]

Tylawe
Yep, you are missing something. According to the Daily Express (yes the Daily Express), BMW are activating it's Brexit Contingency Plans the day after Brexit, no mention of shutting the plant down for maintenance purposes. Denialism appears to be catching
Jim

[OhSusana]

Yep, but don't expect the doom & gloom scenarios to stop anytime soon ……………… we've got at least another 6 months of this!
Shane

6 months?
Not for the first time, and certainly not for the last, you are wrong.

Rees-Mogg said the "benefits" of Brexit MAY not be felt for 50 years.
Peer Digby Jones - former DG of the CBI thinks 100 years.

I am sure, Shane, if you are alive in 100 years' time you will be writing - oh - give it another 1000 years, and I'm sure we'll see the benefits.
Farage - at least he didn't lie on this one last time he spoke on the radio -
Nigel Farage never promised that Brexit “would be a huge success”, he said on LBC radio. “I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and everyone would be better off,” said Farage – who has repeatedly said we would be better off – “just that we would be self-governing.”
Ha ha ha ha ha.....

Post all the good news, Shane! Post the good news! I'd love to read it..... Post it - pleeeeeeeeeeease )))

[OhSusana]

Following on from Hic's input on documentation - this was interesting - today - in the BBC news -

Earlier on Tuesday, the head of Honda Europe, Ian Howells, told the BBC that a no-deal Brexit would cost his company tens of millions of pounds.
"In terms of administration, we'd probably be looking at something like sixty odd thousand additional bits of documentation we would have to provide to get product to and from Europe," Mr Howells told BBC Radio 5 live.
"And clearly if we end up with World Trade Organization tariffs we'd have something like 10% costs in addition on our shipped product back into Europe, and that would certainly run into tens of millions of pounds."
BMW to close Mini plant for a month post-Brexit www.bbc.com/news/

[tyelaw47]

For goodness sake Oh Susanna will you please stop mis quoting!! I have said it once and I will say it again just in case you missed it the first time round. Jacob Rees Mogg said it could take up to 50 years for the UK to achieve its full potential.Up to and full are the key words here.
I have to say that deliberate mis - quoting smacks of someone trying to confuse the issue. It is not funny nor responsible.

[Jimgym]

For goodness sake Oh Susanna will you please stop mis quoting!! I have said it once and I will say it again just in case you missed it the first time round. Jacob Rees Mogg said it could take up to 50 years for the UK to achieve its full potential.Up to and full are the key words here.
I have to say that deliberate mis - quoting smacks of someone trying to confuse the issue. It is not funny nor responsible.

Are you surprised?

[ApusApus]

Yep, but don't expect the doom & gloom scenarios to stop anytime soon ……………… we've got at least another 6 months of this!
Shane

6 months?
Not for the first time, and certainly not for the last, you are wrong.

Funny, I was referring to the incessantly negative news' reporting by HiC so why am I wrong there then because it will certainly last at least the next 6 months?

And, as has already been stated there is no good news and no bad news either to report just speculation as to what might happen but then you obviously know the outcome as you must share the same crystal ball as HiC! At the end of the day, the historians will determine whether the decision to leave the EU was beneficial or not but unfortunately for you the UK voted to leave the EU so get used to it!


Shane

[OhSusana]

For goodness sake, Tyelaw, take your head out of the sand.
Listen to the interview. Have you listened to it?
Question - Why don't you say, if I'm wrong, I'll resign?
Rees Mogg -

"The electorate will decide whether Brexit has been a success or a failure.
I've accepted that anybody can be wrong.
We will know at some point, yes, of course we will, but it's a question of timescale.
We won't know the full economic consequences for a very long time.
The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years".

So - whether Brexit has been a success or a failure - Mogg accepts he could be wrong.
He says at some point we will know the answer to the question.
But we won't know - for a VERY LONG TIME. The overwhelming opportunity being over the next 50 years.

50 years. FIFTY. YEARS. Get it now??

[OhSusana]

And, as has already been stated there is no good news and no bad news either to report just speculation
Shane

What???

Have you read this thread?
Deutsche Bank, Bank of America, Jaguar, Honda, BMW?
This isn't speculation. These job losses (or relocating abroad) are not speculation.
These job losses are for real.

[OhSusana]

For goodness sake Oh Susanna will you please stop mis quoting!! I have said it once and I will say it again just in case you missed it the first time round. Jacob Rees Mogg said it could take up to 50 years for the UK to achieve its full potential.Up to and full are the key words here.
I have to say that deliberate mis - quoting smacks of someone trying to confuse the issue. It is not funny nor responsible.

To try and make it clear Tyelaw -

YOU are mis-quoting!
Rees-Mogg NEVER said "up to". NEVER.
Rees-Mogg NEVER said "potential". NEVER.
Rees-Mogg NEVER said "full". NEVER.

So the "key words here", as you write, are NOT "up to and full".

Read your last sentence. It applies to YOU. YOU are mis-quoting.

[tyelaw47]

Oh yes he did!! I will not argue anymore. You are wrong. I am right. End of.

[OhSusana]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My4UM_zCpk0

Channel 4. Interview. The bit about the 50 years. With subtitles for the hard-of-hearing.

[tyelaw47]

Oh no not again HIC resorting to insults- not very clever is it?

[Jim B]

Tyelawe

I posted the below link which basically charectorises and describes many of the Leavers on here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism

Jim

[ApusApus]

How can you deny something that hasn't happened yet?


Shane

[Jimgward]

What HAS happened, is that MANY industry leaders, many economists and more, have given negative comments on ANY type of brexit deal. Hard or Soft, brexit will create problems for trade to and from the UK. It will add cost, irrespective of the type of deal. The fact we haven't left yet (and hopefully never will as the numbers of MPs prepared to vote down May;s proposed deals) doesn't mean that we don't know anything. We certainly don't know of even speculation of positive aspects, as nobody is proposing any.

Watch James O'Brien interviews on LBC, where he tears apart every reason why people voted for brexit - immigration, sovereignty, self-determination, control....

[Jim B]

A A

But things have happened; people have already lost their jobs directly because of Brexit. Companies have already closed offices, layed people off and moved their offices to other EU countries.
Of course it's a sacrifice for the greater good of Brexit as long as it's not you doing the sacrificing.

Jim

[Jim B]

Below is an interesting take on Brexit and the reasons behind it. Tyelaw ridiculed (or tried to) my comments on Tax Avoidance being behind some of the leading leavers push for Brexit. There are many articles available on this subject.
Jim

[tyelaw47]

I have just watched the link Oh Susanna posted and again you are mis-quoting!! " the overwhelming opportunity is over the next 50 years" Now does that say it will take 50 years? No it doesn't
Now to me that implies that opportunities could start immediately and continue over the next 50 years until the maximum is achieved.It does not say no opportunities until 50 years have passed.
Now I am not going to resort to insults as HIC and Oh Susanna but I would urge you to re- look at your version and also remind you as you are so single minded that this is not the only interview given by Jacob although in every interview I have seen the overall meaning was the same he did not use exactly the same words.

[Jim B]

Tyelaw
I see Mike Penning MP is the latest Tory to stick the knife in the PM over her Chequers deal and it was her who put him forward for a knighthood.

Who needs enemies...........

It's all falling apart.

Jim