Is the EU ready for turning ?

[OhSusana]

I would urge you to re- look at your version

"YOUR VERSION"?

Tyelaw. I can't work out whether you are just joking, having a laugh, or what.
There is only ONE version - Channel 4 News - 21st of July, I understand. Interview with Rees-Mogg.
He doesn't mention the 50 years in any other "version". That is it! It is not my version!!!
(Of course he has given interviews on other occasions. That is beside the point. This is the now "infamous" "50 years" interview. )

Here it is again. I have "re-look"ed at it. It doesn't change. It stays the same. He says the same words. Even when I play the video 20 times - it still stays the same. There are even sub-titles. They don't change either - just look at it.



We will know at some point, yes, of course we will. But it's a question of timescale …. we won't know the full economic consequences for a very long time... The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.

Now - if VERY LONG TIME implies to you "immediately", so be it.

I have to be honest and say, that having a conversation with you reminds me of the dead parrot sketch.
You are Michael Palin - denying that the parrot is dead.
Now - don't take this the wrong way. Palin is a genius, in my opinion. My husband has met him on more than one occasion. Performed with him. He says that, even in rehearsal, he is just... brilliant!



Tyelaw. The parrot is dead.

One other quote from you -
Now I am not going to resort to insults ... and also remind you as you are so single minded..


Here's an interesting article for you -
Jacob Rees-Mogg to be cryogenically frozen and thawed out once the benefits of Brexit occur
http://www.lcdviews.com/2018/07/22/jaco ... xit-occur/

[OhSusana]

It is this permanent state of denial which absolutely baffles me. With the default platitude being "It hasn't happened yet", as if the drop in the value of the pound, consequent inflation and devastating risk to the economy in the event of a "hard Brexit" isn't sufficient cause for concern.

And all they can come up with is "We don't know...because it hasn't happened yet".

Amen to that.

[ApusApus]

Looks like the EU are tossing out some olive branches, both Juncker & Tusk have been talking up the chances of a deal in the last few days …………… probably a fudge is on the cards where both sides will claim victory! https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45768848


Shane

[Firefly]

Oh God help us in that case, not more delay.

[ApusApus]

Oh dear HiC, you really should start to fill your glass because at the moment it seems to be running on empty! I will go out on a limb here and state that there will be an agreement between the UK & the EU, all the issues will be sorted and life will carry on (but not like a "Carry On Film")!

Are you up for it?


Shane

[ApusApus]

Guess you aren't then!


Shane

[OhSusana]

Dear, dear Shane...I thought you might have risen to my challenge and posted at least one 'positive' to come out of the present turmoil/mess.

Just one? Pretty please

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Don't hold your breath!

Got off the plane in Luton yesterday. Long queues as always.
Finally got through e-passport - long long wait - everybody has e-passports now - and
What greeted me? A free Evening Standard, with the headline -
"And now we want to stay in".
I picked it up, and then put it down again! Now - if the Evening Standard is saying this, ...

[kingfisher]

The London Evening Standard is largely owned by ex-KGB and billionaire, Alexander Lebvedov, and his son Evgeny [who also own the Independent] They are globalist and strongly anti-brexit, so not surprising their paper reflects this, especially at this crucial time.

[OhSusana]

The London Evening Standard is largely owned by ex-KGB and billionaire, Alexander Lebvedov, and his son Evgeny..

Lebedev. Ле́бедев. But I take your point.
However, I think the editor, former Chancellor George Osborne, has more of an influence. And he doesn't see things going in the right direction,
George Osborne stands by warnings on long-term Brexit impact - in the ft a few weeks' ago.
https://www.ft.com/content/69981270-4ec ... 83af05aea7

... But he is convinced that he was correct about the longer-term impact of leaving the bloc, pointing to the big drop in the value of sterling after the referendum and figures released last week showing the economy grew by just 0.1 per cent in the first quarter of 2018. “The last GDP number was 0.1 per cent. We went from being the strongest growing western economy and we are now the slowest growing economy in Europe,” he said. *It is not something I take any pleasure in at all.” ...

Me also.

[kingfisher]

The last figure for UK GDP was actually for Q2, which came in at 0.4%. The figure of 0.2% for Q1 2018 was revised down to 0.1% as a consequence of adverse weather [snow/freezing], on construction, which did rebound strongly in April.
Forget the £- that is presently at the mercy of the hedge funds, short-selling spivs, and currency speculators, and will be OK when they move on to attack another currency.
Osbourne threw everything he could lay his hands on at Brexit, and has continued to do so. There is no need here to reiterate his ludicrous prognostications before and after the referendum, which have become legendary in the sheer degree of their inaccuracy.
They weren’t predictions, they were simply lies!
Anyone who gives their paper away free is obviously being financed- I suspect Soros and the EU are sending in a few shillings.

Jon.

[OhSusana]

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Are you saying that the former Conservative chancellor is lying when he says,
"We went from being the strongest growing western economy and we are now the slowest growing economy in Europe,”

U.K. Set to Leave European Union as Slowest-Growing Economy
Bloomberg
UK was the slowest growing economy in the EU in 2017
freshbusinessthinking.com
UK is the worst-performing advanced economy in the world
independent etc etc etc.

As for the pound - you write
"Forget the £- that is presently at the mercy of the hedge funds, short-selling spivs,"

But the pound is likely at its lowest level ever over a TWO YEAR period. TWO YEARS....
Short-selling???
Do you really believe what you write? Or you simply refuse to face the frightening realities of the alternative?

Regarding the ES, this is interesting -
Evening Standard to record £10m loss
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44537728

[tonee]

And the employment figures are what?

[kingfisher]

4% unemployment for June 2018, best for nearly 50 years.
That's "IN SPITE" of brexit!

Jon.

[Jimgward]

4% unemployment for June 2018, best for nearly 50 years.
That's "IN SPITE" of brexit!

Jon.

With Zero-Hour contracts now the norm in retail, hospitality, Care and more.... Aye, there’s jobs and the benefit cuts mean more will take them - but wealth? Only for some.... austerity only for the working-class (and I know I’m being socialist here, Huds, old chap, before you notice)

[Jim B]

The unemployment figures are taken from those signing on as unemployed but the government make signing on very difficult, if you refuse a job offered your benefits are stopped and you come off the register. Unemployed are put on sickness benifits to lower the unemployment figures. The figures are massaged to make things look better than they really are but of course people believe what they want to believe.

Jim

[kingfisher]

Well, what with the Dickensian employment conditions and impending financial catastrophe in the UK, it’s a wonder hordes of people are not swimming across the channel to get to the safety and affluence of the EUSSR.
Odd thing is, they’re still coming the other way.

[tyelaw47]

It is just not true Jim B that the Government encourage people to sign sick to manipulate the employment figures. They have been attempting for the last 20 years to cut the amount of people wrongly claiming sickness benefits and Doctors are under pressure to only sign sick notes when there is a real need. It is true that benefits may be stopped for a period of time if "suitable" jobs are refused and they may be expected to attend employment training centres but surely this is how a responsible Government acts.
I believe that it is you that is trying to manipulate facts to suit your rather jaundiced views.

[ApusApus]

if you refuse a job offered your benefits are stopped and you come off the register.
Jim

Unless you have a good reason, is this wrong on both accounts?


Shane

[Jim B]

Tyelawe
As I said we move in different circles. My Sister until recently was an HEO Manager with the the Employment Agency and I asked her opinion last night after reading the comments and she confirmed what I wrote.
She also confirmed what you said about Sickness benefit but they are forcing people too ill to work off benifits and leaving them in limbo with no benifits. Her own husband who had a stroke was forced off Sickness Benefits after six months even though too ill to work; off the unemployment register and no Benefits for over ten months until he reached his sixtyfifth birthday.
People are offered jobs they can't do and when they decline they're off the list. That's massaging the figures, not me telling you how it's done.
As I said people believe what they want to believe and I wonder how many commenting have ever tried to sign on or apply for sickness benifits.

Jim

[Dominic]

I did try signing on once, but as that was over 25 years ago it doesn't help this debate much.

I don't envy anybody being out of work though. It is shit. Sure, there are people who make a career out of it, but at the other end of the scale there are career criminals. If you cite the edge cases as indicitive of the whole you will get a completely distorted view of reality. It is easy to massage employment figures, and if they can get massaged, they will get massaged.