Nicola Sturgeon Hanging On!

[Pete G]

At least the Police can still assemble sufficient warm bodies to handle the REALLY important stuff

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[kingfisher]

Explains why one or two "regulars" had gone AWOL recently!

[smudger]

Strangely enough, the book and case I quoted above actually took place in Wiltshire! Maybe I'll get a knock on my door soon

[smudger]

Devil, I didn't get the impression that it was a case of pushing the boat out for a high profile case, more a situation of the technology is there for use by all forces at all times. It may have been that as the SIO Steve Fulcher then assembled specialists in these particular areas into his overall investigative team. Struggling to remember minutiae, but that was my impression.

I would reiterate, I feel strongly that all of the technologies used in this case were the norm rather than the exception, and available to any on-going investigation. Whilst I'm still not suggesting that 'bobbies on the beat' are replaceable, I still feel the factor of the technology now available does a huge job which, with the best will in the world, could not be done within the same timescale as bobbies on the beat. And as such, need to be factored in when looking at police reductions.

[Jimgward]

Devil, I didn't get the impression that it was a case of pushing the boat out for a high profile case, more a situation of the technology is there for use by all forces at all times. It may have been that as the SIO Steve Fulcher then assembled specialists in these particular areas into his overall investigative team. Struggling to remember minutiae, but that was my impression.

I would reiterate, I feel strongly that all of the technologies used in this case were the norm rather than the exception, and available to any on-going investigation. Whilst I'm still not suggesting that 'bobbies on the beat' are replaceable, I still feel the factor of the technology now available does a huge job which, with the best will in the world, could not be done within the same timescale as bobbies on the beat. And as such, need to be factored in when looking at police reductions.

They are the ‘norm’ only when sufficient resources are there to use them. I would guarantee that in most crime cases in the UK now, most resources are not available. The police differentiate crimes into convictable and solvable and minor or a waste of time (not their terms). Many things, that people perhaps regard should be investigated, aren’t, such as house break-ins, car theft and so on.

We are at the stage where the police have to choose how, when and with what they respond. In the past, responses were always given.

[smudger]

Jim do you never give up on knocking authority, the government, the Tories...........?????

Would love to know the basis for your assumptions/presumptions other than errrmmm, actual facts???

The information I've posted was simply a response to the potential reductions in police officers, simply pointing out from a recent publication I had read that there were in fact a host of mitigating factors in the way in which crime was now handled, and the unmitigated fact that technology now plays a huge part in crime detection, overriding the huge numbers of bobbies on the beat in many cases.

As usual you respond with the same old slurs on government and authority.

In some ways Jim I do envy you, to have the insight you seem to have in all areas of government, public authority, private enterprise, investment, finance, Human Resources, Health and Safety", mining, deep sea investment.......................Simply amazing. Some supporting evidence would be good sometimes, particularly on this thread, other than your presumptions and guesses. I've quoted from an authorised and readily documented publication, not my presumptions, guesses, assumptions, or make believe.

Wished I'd never bothered. For anyone still interested the book is a really good read as well as being a significant insight into modern policing and investigation.

[Jimgward]

Jim do you never give up on knocking authority, the government, the Tories...........?????

Would love to know the basis for your assumptions/presumptions other than errrmmm, actual facts???

The information I've posted was simply a response to the potential reductions in police officers, simply pointing out from a recent publication I had read that there were in fact a host of mitigating factors in the way in which crime was now handled, and the unmitigated fact that technology now plays a huge part in crime detection, overriding the huge numbers of bobbies on the beat in many cases.

As usual you respond with the same old slurs on government and authority.

In some ways Jim I do envy you, to have the insight you seem to have in all areas of government, public authority, private enterprise, investment, finance, Human Resources, Health and Safety", mining, deep sea investment.......................Simply amazing. Some supporting evidence would be good sometimes, particularly on this thread, other than your presumptions and guesses. I've quoted from an authorised and readily documented publication, not my presumptions, guesses, assumptions, or make believe.

Wished I'd never bothered. For anyone still interested the book is a really good read as well as being a significant insight into modern policing and investigation.

The pot and kettle come to mind....

I've read your scathing comments on socialists and the like and you comment much more than you post fact... and when others do, you dismiss as negative ...

[outasite]

At least the Police can still assemble sufficient warm bodies to handle the REALLY important stuff

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I wonder when they will correct the blinding grammatical error.

[smudger]

Not often I would describe your posts as unintelligible but I'm afraid this is one of them Jim.

Sorry. Not sure what my opinions of socialists have to do with the Wiltshire police force, Steve Fulcher or the murderer he captured, or even today's police force in general.
Maybe you could enlighten us?
I'm slightly staggered that my (qualified) comments on this case could be translated into your usual anti government diatribes. Sorry you brought it to this Jim, my comments were in regard to what I perceived to be an extremely interesting book, relating an extremely interesting case which highlighted another side of the problem with police numbers in the force today.

Really sorry you chose to turn it into yet another of your anti-establishment rants. You totally missed my meaning altogether. Sadly.

[Jimgward]

Smudger, I was simply pointing out, like others, that Bobbies on the beat are what is needed and that cuts make prevention and solving of crime more difficult. You quoted a case, great.

As to my diatribes which you think are anti this and that. There has been no stronger supporter of the NHS, Educaiton and more. Whereas you have knocked lots. I won’t trawl you’re posts for proof, but you come across, as I’ve said before, as someone with a mighty large chip on your shoulder.

You profess to hating a lot of things and people. I already have said I hate nobody, dislike perhaps.

I’ve also said I prefer Cameron to Blair and more. I think I’m a pretty rounded person - at least, that’s what my waistline tells me....

As to negativity, it’s the nature of political debates, (this thread included) that people present what OTHERS will find negative and yet more OTHERS will find positive. Perhaps you’re interpretation sits diameterically opposed to me - a simple man with strong investment in Cyprus and positive beliefs in Cyprus and it’s future. That happens to also include it’s position within the EU. (Can feel you’re cringe at that)

[cyprusgrump]

Smudger, I was simply pointing out, like others, that Bobbies on the beat are what is needed and that cuts make prevention and solving of crime more difficult.

i think we can all agree on that...

But I don't think 'cuts' have resulted in fewer bobbies on the beat - it seems to be a deliberate policy choice along with closing local police stations. Peter Hitchens has written extensively on the subject.

It never ceases to amaze me that despite the supposed 'savage cuts' to the police force they can find the resource to investigate and prosecute somebody typing something 'nasty' on Twitter or leaving a bacon sarnie outside a mosque...

[smudger]

Jim can you not for crying out loud give it a rest! Why you feel the need to personalise this in such an odious manner is beyond me as well as being way beyond what this thread is about. Sadly, as ever, you missed the point. And quite why I or anyone else should accept that you're such a lovely rounded individual whilst I'm Satans disciple is wholly beyond me.

You scathingly say ' you quoted a case, great'. Typical I'm afraid. I quoted a book that I had found interesting but that also showed me that there is another side to police reductions, and that is the growth in the technology that is now used in police detection, which in turn covers masses more ground in much quicker time than a bobby on the beat. I have reiterated several times that I'm not praising or criticising reductions in police numbers, simply pointing out that whilst there are reductions in manpower there are huge strides in technology. Foolishly, I thought it might interest others, I just forgot about you and your propensity for turning any thread into your left wing rants and justifications and personal attacks.

Enough for me thanks. Goodbye.