Card overthrows cash as king

[Devil]

Service charge is not obligatory, wasn't in any of the restaurants in which I worked, nor is it in my son in law's restaurant. Although tips can be added to a card payment, as has been stated it is generally more beneficial to the serving staff to be appreciated by cash tips. For those few restaurants that DO apply a service charge, it's detrimental to the servers, very open for the owners to take the whole payment. Dreadful system, tipping should be discretionary, sometimes not warranted, other times warranting a very large one

I disagree with you totally. Every employee in the public establishment should receive a fixed salary commensurate with his job. This is paid for out of a more or less fixed service charge. In the 35 years that I lived in Switzerland, I doubt whether I tipped more than half a dozen times for exceptional service. However, the waiters and kitchen staff all received living wages. Having people relying on tips for a living wage is something out of the middle ages and certainly not in the 21st-century. Even the Bible has a word to say, "the labourer is worthy of his hire!". Anything other than the normal salary for employees is anarchic.

[WHL]

Service charge is not obligatory, wasn't in any of the restaurants in which I worked, nor is it in my son in law's restaurant. Although tips can be added to a card payment, as has been stated it is generally more beneficial to the serving staff to be appreciated by cash tips. For those few restaurants that DO apply a service charge, it's detrimental to the servers, very open for the owners to take the whole payment. Dreadful system, tipping should be discretionary, sometimes not warranted, other times warranting a very large one

I disagree with you totally. Every employee in the public establishment should receive a fixed salary commensurate with his job. This is paid for out of a more or less fixed service charge. In the 35 years that I lived in Switzerland, I doubt whether I tipped more than half a dozen times for exceptional service. However, the waiters and kitchen staff all received living wages. Having people relying on tips for a living wage is something out of the middle ages and certainly not in the 21st-century. Even the Bible has a word to say, "the labourer is worthy of his hire!". Anything other than the normal salary for employees is anarchic.

Who said life's fair

[WHL]

Service charge is not obligatory, wasn't in any of the restaurants in which I worked, nor is it in my son in law's restaurant. Although tips can be added to a card payment, as has been stated it is generally more beneficial to the serving staff to be appreciated by cash tips. For those few restaurants that DO apply a service charge, it's detrimental to the servers, very open for the owners to take the whole payment. Dreadful system, tipping should be discretionary, sometimes not warranted, other times warranting a very large one

I disagree with you totally. Every employee in the public establishment should receive a fixed salary commensurate with his job. This is paid for out of a more or less fixed service charge. In the 35 years that I lived in Switzerland, I doubt whether I tipped more than half a dozen times for exceptional service. However, the waiters and kitchen staff all received living wages. Having people relying on tips for a living wage is something out of the middle ages and certainly not in the 21st-century. Even the Bible has a word to say, "the labourer is worthy of his hire!". Anything other than the normal salary for employees is anarchic.

I really loved customers like you!!!
In an ideal world you may have a point, but we are in the real world, Switzerland may be an exception. Switzerland... full of bankers who get bonuses(equivalent to tips) for doing a job for which they are extremely well paid, sometimes still getting bonuses for doing their job extremely badly.
In the current situation how many workers upon which we have come to rely are getting a salary commensurate with their job? (Cleaners, nurses, doctors, bin men, bus drivers, shop assistants etc)

Very good post

[Devil]

So you would prefer cleaners, nurses, doctors, bin men, bus drivers, shop assistants etc not to receive a living wage but to rely on tips? Which planet do you live on? As for bin men, every year the government in Cyprus ask people specifically NOT to tip them. And doctors under GESY getting >€200,000/year. Tip them? Sure! When did you last tip a service bus driver or shop assistant? Get real, mate!

[WHL]

So you would prefer cleaners, nurses, doctors, bin men, bus drivers, shop assistants etc not to receive a living wage but to rely on tips? Which planet do you live on? As for bin men, every year the government in Cyprus ask people specifically NOT to tip them. And doctors under GESY getting >€200,000/year. Tip them? Sure! When did you last tip a service bus driver or shop assistant? Get real, mate!

Devil if you don't want to tip fair enough, but my dustmen pick up my smelly crap, twice a week so every christmas they get cash from me, the same with the Pakistani guy who fills my car up, cleans the screen and checks the tyres, and I always give the lads who pack my shopping up in Alpha Mega, many of these boys have health issues , Ive never heard of anyone tipping a doctor, as for nurses , always take boxs of chocs if a family member has spent time in their care,etc, With respect I suggest its you that needs to get real, and not try to emulate a dickens character,

[galexinda]

Tip or not?

Entirely up to each individual, so no one should be judged as to how much, if anything, they give.