Animals can transmit virus

[Dominic]

An animal hater is a person who abuses animals.

Or who eats factory farmed meat.

Sorry, but that's just not true. Many animal lovers will buy factory farmed meat, simply because in a lot of cases that is all that is available, and because it is all that they can afford.

It doesn't mean they hate animals.

[jeba]

An animal hater is a person who abuses animals.

Or who eats factory farmed meat.

Sorry, but that's just not true. Many animal lovers will buy factory farmed meat, simply because in a lot of cases that is all that is available, and because it is all that they can afford.

It doesn't mean they hate animals.

At least it means they aren´t animal lovers.

[Dominic]

Label people how you want, but don't be surprised if you get a few choice labels of your own thrown at you.

[jeba]

Label people how you want, but don't be surprised if you get a few choice labels of your own thrown at you.

I don´t know whether I can live with that but I´ll give it a try.

[WHL]

Label people how you want, but don't be surprised if you get a few choice labels of your own thrown at you.

I don´t know whether I can live with that but I´ll give it a try.

Question for you are you a vegan?

[jeba]

Label people how you want, but don't be surprised if you get a few choice labels of your own thrown at you.

I don´t know whether I can live with that but I´ll give it a try.

Question for you are you a vegan?

No

[WHL]

Then with respect, you are no more an animal lover then the rest of us, I can take being preached to by a vegan, but not by someone who eats meat be it factory farmed or free range, so spare us the lectures, thanks.

[jeba]

Then with respect, you are no more an animal lover then the rest of us, I can take being preached to by a vegan, but not by someone who eats meat be it factory farmed or free range, so spare us the lectures, thanks.

I´m trying to live vegetarian, not vegan. When I can´t resist the craving for something non-vegetarian I´ll eat fish (not factory farmed salmon though even if it tastes better than the wild salmon because it´s less fatty) or free range meat. That´s one of the things I dislike about Cyprus that I can hardly get free-range pork or alternatively boar or deer from the local hunter. That butchers are allowed to slaughter themselves is another one of those. For me it´s not about life but about avoidance of suffering (that applies to human life as well by the way which is why I am very glad that the German constitutional court recently ruled that a law banning assisting in suicide was unconstitutional). I have no worries about culling strays as long as it´s done without causing suffering. If people knew how animals are treated in factory farms and in abattoires many wouldn´t eat factory farmed meat.

[Kili01]

Jeba,
Surely by the time animals get to the abattoirs its too late? If abattoirs are run properly animals should be stunned first. I think that the method of halal butchery is barbaric. I don’t like the conditions animals live in in factory farms, but its a question of economics as inevitably the meat produced is cheaper to buy than free range meat. But for many families it is what their food budget will allow.

I also prefer free range meat, but its very expensive here and not always available. I like to buy free range eggs and those are usually available,

I’m an animal lover too.

Dee

[jeba]

Jeba,
Surely by the time animals get to the abattoirs its too late? If abattoirs are run properly animals should be stunned first.

The usual method of anesthetising pigs before slaughtering is to immerse them in carbondioxid (at least in Germany - don´t know about Cyprus). Yes it will make them unconscious but it´s exactly the gas that creates the feeling of suffocation and consequently panic. That´s why I hate that butchers aren´t allowed to slaughter themselves in Cyprus (according to what I was told by one of them). Our local butcher back in Germany would drive in his refridgerated truck to the farmer with his stungun and slaughter them individually (I know because he was my neighbour and told me). There are also farmers regularly offering free range pork at farmer´s markets.

The EU spoke out against using carbondioxide in 2004 already but the agricultural lobby had been delaying a ban on this practice ever since.