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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by wilky » Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:02 pm

Northern Ireland voted 55.8% to remain and 44.2% to leave it looks like Boris did NI a favour he went with the people not the DUP.

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jimgward » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:28 pm

Jim B wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:31 pm
JWard
Yes he also hung Northern Ireland out to dry but the DUP was the Conservatives close Brexit partners who he abandoned and made a deal behind their backs with the EU.

Jim
The DUP represented a minority fo the population and are a joke of a political party. How May even considered doing ANY deal with them is unbelievable. They are the political arm of a terrorist organisation.

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:04 am

Jimgward wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:28 pm
Jim B wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:31 pm
JWard
Yes he also hung Northern Ireland out to dry but the DUP was the Conservatives close Brexit partners who he abandoned and made a deal behind their backs with the EU.

Jim
The DUP represented a minority fo the population and are a joke of a political party. How May even considered doing ANY deal with them is unbelievable. They are the political arm of a terrorist organisation.
I totally agree with everything you say but the Tories made a pact with them, gave them a billion pounds and then stabbed them in the bAck.
I'm not defending the DUP but highlighting how untrustworthy the present Tory Party is.

Jim

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:07 pm

Advice from the Telegraph on post Brexit relating to travelling in Europe.
It does refer to pet passports and the like and the link opened for me.

Jim

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/advice ... rnc92ije2U

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Post by Happy in Cyprus » Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:36 am

Yes Jim. Reminds me that those who thought Brexit was such a brilliant idea really didn't think through the consequences. You and I both know that they didn't. Why would anyone choose to be inconvenienced in the freedom of movement throughout the EU which we all enjoy at the moment? In addition to your link, here's yet another inconvenience:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-trave ... 19465.html

And at last an admission of what is likely to come from Gove:

"The stark warning came after Michael Gove finally lifted the lid on the realities of leaving the single market and customs union, after the issue was ducked during the election campaign.

He highlighted checks on food and goods of animal origin, customs declarations and the need for safety and security certificates – while admitting new IT systems will not be ready until 2025.

Mr Opie said the BRC was braced for checks on vehicles and drivers and, crucially, on food which meant “thousands of vehicles” being held at Dover and other ports.

Although the checks might take as little as two minutes, even that would trigger 17-mile tailbacks at Dover without new infrastructure – and there was very little space for holding lorries
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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/boris-johnson ... 42264.html

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:39 am

Queuing at Schipol Immigration, not the Brexit this particular Leaver voted for.

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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brex ... 62511.html

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by WHL » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:35 am

Jim B wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:39 am
Queuing at Schipol Immigration, not the Brexit this particular Leaver voted for.

Jim


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brex ... 62511.html
Get used to it, what did this idiot expect, never mind stiff upper lip and all that :lol:

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Post by Happy in Cyprus » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:48 am

Always remember former poster on PL, smudger, claiming she wouldn't mind having to queue for for up to an hour in Passport Control on each journey, in exchange for the immeasurable benefits which Brexit would bring. Can someone please remind me what those benefits were :?

And as the chance of a No Deal looks looks ever more likely, the UK government is preparing to fork out £60 million for special barriers to isolate the trucks queueing on motorways: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-minist ... 23985.html

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Post by lionelcyprus » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:29 pm

WHL wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:35 am
Jim B wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:39 am
Queuing at Schipol Immigration, not the Brexit this particular Leaver voted for.

Jim


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brex ... 62511.html
Get used to it, what did this idiot expect, never mind stiff upper lip and all that :lol:
:D :D :D
I must admit, this story did make me laugh also.
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Post by Firefly » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:23 pm

Lloyd

I remember smudger's post on here too, what a pity she doesn't post anymore.
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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jimgym » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:39 pm

Firefly wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:23 pm
Lloyd

I remember smudger's post on here too, what a pity she doesn't post anymore.
I’ve no doubt she’d be as amused as I am at the increasingly desperate posts from certain Remainers on here. 🤣

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:33 pm

Alan
What I can't get my head around is someone who comes from the same city appears to support a party thats intention was to create " managed decline" and basically destroy our community. On the other hand the EU pumped in billions of pounds into revitalising an area that was basically on its knees due to successive attempts by the Tories to destroy it. I don't know if you've recently visited Liverpool, we went there last November and we were amazed with the investment and drive taking place. From the Strand, Liverpool One and other EU investments in the city it has come on in leaps and bounds since I left nearly 20 years ago.
If they waited for central government investment they'd still be waiting but the EU jumped in and brought the city back from the brink.

Jim

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Post by Jimgward » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:57 pm

Merseyside were later rly the only area in the UK still receiving support for severe deprivation, from the EU. Totally ignored by the Tories for decades. It was a shithole and has been pulled up by it’s shoestrings to regain it’s pride.

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:33 am

Jim
I worked on a project in the nineties called MEPAS which stood for Mersey Estuary Pollution Alleviation Scheme which was basically to stop raw effluent being pumped into the Mersey and as far up the coast as Workington in the Lake District. It also included sewage works up the Lune and Ribble Valley's.
The EU pumped in billions of pounds to clean up the mess and turn the beaches into blue flag. People will say it was our money but would central government have pumped the money in; I don't think so.

Jim

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jimgym » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:24 am

Jim B wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:33 pm
Alan
What I can't get my head around is someone who comes from the same city appears to support a party thats intention was to create " managed decline" and basically destroy our community. On the other hand the EU pumped in billions of pounds into revitalising an area that was basically on its knees due to successive attempts by the Tories to destroy it. I don't know if you've recently visited Liverpool, we went there last November and we were amazed with the investment and drive taking place. From the Strand, Liverpool One and other EU investments in the city it has come on in leaps and bounds since I left nearly 20 years ago.
If they waited for central government investment they'd still be waiting but the EU jumped in and brought the city back from the brink.

Jim
Im slightly surprised you haven't mentioned Derek Hatton, who did immeasurable harm to Liverpool.

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Post by Dominic » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:48 am

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by trevnhil » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:59 am

Jimgym wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:24 am
Jim B wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:33 pm
Alan
What I can't get my head around is someone who comes from the same city appears to support a party thats intention was to create " managed decline" and basically destroy our community. On the other hand the EU pumped in billions of pounds into revitalising an area that was basically on its knees due to successive attempts by the Tories to destroy it. I don't know if you've recently visited Liverpool, we went there last November and we were amazed with the investment and drive taking place. From the Strand, Liverpool One and other EU investments in the city it has come on in leaps and bounds since I left nearly 20 years ago.
If they waited for central government investment they'd still be waiting but the EU jumped in and brought the city back from the brink.

Jim
Im slightly surprised you haven't mentioned Derek Hatton, who did immeasurable harm to Liverpool.
Ah.. But he was Labour..
Trev..

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:04 pm

Jimgym wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:24 am
Jim B wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:33 pm
Alan
What I can't get my head around is someone who comes from the same city appears to support a party thats intention was to create " managed decline" and basically destroy our community. On the other hand the EU pumped in billions of pounds into revitalising an area that was basically on its knees due to successive attempts by the Tories to destroy it. I don't know if you've recently visited Liverpool, we went there last November and we were amazed with the investment and drive taking place. From the Strand, Liverpool One and other EU investments in the city it has come on in leaps and bounds since I left nearly 20 years ago.
If they waited for central government investment they'd still be waiting but the EU jumped in and brought the city back from the brink.

Jim
Im slightly surprised you haven't mentioned Derek Hatton, who did immeasurable harm to Liverpool.
Bit of a lame excuse if you don't mind me saying so and he was expelled from the Labour Party in 1986 after 3 years in power, a blink of an eye in real terms. The periods I'm talking about were pre and post Hatton when Thatcher was decimating the city and after when the EU poured money in to rebuild it.
For every action there's a reaction and Hatton was caused by the actions of Thatcher.
You can see the Tories are up to their old tricks with Merseyside; considering Liverpool is the third largest city in England have a look where the HS2 railink is going.
It looks like the city is in for another attempted period of managed decline.

Jim

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jimgym » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:10 pm

Jim B wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:04 pm
Jimgym wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:24 am
Jim B wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:33 pm
Alan
What I can't get my head around is someone who comes from the same city appears to support a party thats intention was to create " managed decline" and basically destroy our community. On the other hand the EU pumped in billions of pounds into revitalising an area that was basically on its knees due to successive attempts by the Tories to destroy it. I don't know if you've recently visited Liverpool, we went there last November and we were amazed with the investment and drive taking place. From the Strand, Liverpool One and other EU investments in the city it has come on in leaps and bounds since I left nearly 20 years ago.
If they waited for central government investment they'd still be waiting but the EU jumped in and brought the city back from the brink.

Jim
Im slightly surprised you haven't mentioned Derek Hatton, who did immeasurable harm to Liverpool.
Bit of a lame excuse if you don't mind me saying so and he was expelled from the Labour Party in 1986 after 3 years in power, a blink of an eye in real terms. The periods I'm talking about were pre and post Hatton when Thatcher was decimating the city and after when the EU poured money in to rebuild it.
For every action there's a reaction and Hatton was caused by the actions of Thatcher.
You can see the Tories are up to their old tricks with Merseyside; considering Liverpool is the third largest city in England have a look where the HS2 railink is going.
It looks like the city is in for another attempted period of managed decline.

Jim
Why is it a lame excuse? Hatton caused a lot of damage to Liverpool, and that is very relevant to the posts you originally made. Granted, it doesn't suit your argument, however please don't dismiss it as irrelevant. Hatton's behaviour was not caused by Thatcher, it was caused by himself, but then the Left are never wrong, it's always someone else fault.....

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Re: You couldn't make it up.

Post by Jim B » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:22 pm

The people voted him in because of the actions of Thatcher. The city was under control of the Liberals under Trevor Jones until Labour was voted into power.
I know he did a lot of damage but they got shot of him, aalso I never said he was irrelevant I said it was for a short period.
The EU, not the Tories bailed the city out and it was Thatcher that started the rot that allowed Hatton to grab power.
Jim

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