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Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 8:27 pm
by smudger
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39817810
Laura Kuennsberg just interviewed and this is a direct quote to her.
Not that most of us wouldn't have seen, nay predicted this.
The election should be interesting, indeed predictable again?? Unless Corbyn can pull a rabbit out of a hat, and a rabbit preferably, for him, not called Diane.
Really can't believe she did it again!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 20356.html
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 9:05 pm
by PhotoLady
UKIP.... what happened to them?
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 9:45 pm
by cyprusgrump
Priceless isn't it...?
I've been posting the clip all over the place - who could
possibly think of voting for a party that might put her in a position of power???
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 1:20 am
by PhotoLady
Well I don't trust her to sort it out so looks like I'm well and truly stuffed!
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 9:14 am
by Varky
PhotoLady wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 1:20 am
Well I
don't trust her to sort it out so looks like I'm well and truly stuffed!
We are where we are, so who would you prefer to be in charge of the government during the upcoming period of the Brexit negotiations?
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 9:44 am
by Dominic
Jesus that is unbelievable!
Oh my God. I feel sorry for the Labour Party, and their sane MPs. This is what happens when you let the grass root activists have a vote in leadership elections. Nice one Miliband.
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 9:45 am
by Dominic
Hudswell wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2017 11:58 pm
PhotoLady wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2017 9:05 pm
UKIP.... what happened to them?
Who give a s*** what happened to UKIP, they were never a viable opposition...and nor are labour, the greens, Monster Raving Loony party...lib Dems..they need to sort their stuff out..who would you really trust to sort or the mess? Brexit..can you really imagine anyone else but Ms May being able to sort it out?...
The problem is, I can't imagine her being able to sort it out either.
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 11:28 am
by Jim B
Hudswell wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 10:54 am
Dominic wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 9:45 am
Hudswell wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2017 11:58 pm
Who give a s*** what happened to UKIP, they were never a viable opposition...and nor are labour, the greens, Monster Raving Loony party...lib Dems..they need to sort their stuff out..who would you really trust to sort or the mess? Brexit..can you really imagine anyone else but Ms May being able to sort it out?...
The problem is, I can't imagine her being able to sort it out either.
I can, she has risen to the challenge and will make a strong PM, who will get the best deal possible for the UK...people,judge her on her performance as Home Secretary, which I do not believe is fair...she was still "working" for someone else...now she is in charge and can develop the party they way she would like...and she will....she is not the best of a bad bunch....she stands heads above anyone else...she will do well.
It's not hard to stand heads above everyone else when the competition are midgets. She was an abject failure as Home Secretary and will be the same as Prime Minister. Putting aside your excuses; she made a total mess of her own making in the Home Office and no doubt there will be more to come. God help our country.
Jim
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 11:36 am
by Royal
Diane Abbot's car-crash interview on the Labour losses reminds me of the Monty Python sketch where the Black Knight says "...it's just a flesh wound!"
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 12:00 pm
by Jim B
It's a pity she wasn't doing the vote count
Jim
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 12:49 pm
by outasite
Dominic wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 9:44 am
Jesus that is unbelievable!
Oh my God. I feel sorry for the Labour Party, and their sane MPs. This is what happens when you let the grass root activists have a vote in leadership elections. Nice one Miliband.
Is this tongue in cheek? Or are you having a pop that Corbyn was elected to Leader by the Grass Roots members of the Labour Party.
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 1:02 pm
by Dominic
I wasn't having a pop, I was stating a fact. The activists think they speak for the country. They are clearly deluded.
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 1:32 pm
by Jim B
Correct Dominic.
Jim
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 1:47 pm
by Devil
Hudswell wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 10:54 am
I can, she has risen to the challenge and will make a strong PM, who will get the best deal possible for the UK...people,judge her on her performance as Home Secretary, which I do not believe is fair...she was still "working" for someone else...now she is in charge and can develop the party they way she would like...and she will....she is not the best of a bad bunch....she stands heads above anyone else...she will do well.
I don't know how you can say that. As Home Sec and as PM, so far, she has not shown any strength, only bluster and vacillation, changing her mind as often as her necklaces. Words are meaningless. If she is not the best of a bad bunch, as you state, let's have the best (not that I can think of any current politician who is the best!)
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 2:32 pm
by Cogs123
I sadly believe the PM purely called this GE solely for political gain...considering how far ahead the Tories were in the opinion polls. She already had a mandate from parliament. Stating that Parliament was divided whilst the country was united, is in my opinion, a lie of humongous proportions.
We tend to forget that 2 countries out of the 4 that make up the UK, voted to remain, & that 15million eligible voters, for whatever reason, chose not to, or couldn't vote.
As a remainer, I accepted the vote, though still believe I made the right decision, only time will tell, I also thought that out of the bunch available, she was the preferred option.
In calling this GE, she has gone down in my opinion for political opportunism, In a true democracy we NEED a strong opposition,
Trying to wipe out any decent, is therefore, not in the best interest of our country...only the Tory parties.
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 2:56 pm
by cyprusgrump
Cogs123 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 2:32 pm
I sadly believe the PM purely called this GE solely for political gain...considering how far ahead the Tories were in the opinion polls. She already had a mandate from parliament. Stating that Parliament was divided whilst the country was united, is in my opinion, a lie of humongous proportions.
We tend to forget that 2 countries out of the 4 that make up the UK, voted to remain, & that 15million eligible voters, for whatever reason, chose not to, or couldn't vote.
As a remainer, I accepted the vote, though still believe I made the right decision, only time will tell, I also thought that out of the bunch available, she was the preferred option.
In calling this GE, she has gone down in my opinion for political opportunism, In a true democracy we NEED a strong opposition,
Trying to wipe out any decent, is therefore, not in the best interest of our country...only the Tory parties.
Oh
please!
May was holding 'The Corbyn Card' and knew it was likely to expire before the GE if she waited until 2020...
So she has played it now to maximise the benefit to her party from it.
Seriously, anybody that thinks/claims that
any other political leader wouldn't have done
exactly the same thing in her position is seriously deluded.
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 3:07 pm
by Cogs123
The delusion lies in the expectation of the promises they have made on the Brexit negotiations.
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 4:20 pm
by cyprusgrump
Cogs123 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 3:07 pm
The delusion lies in the expectation of the promises they have made on the Brexit negotiations.
But that wasn't your complaint...
Your complaint was that she had called the election for political gain.
I merely pointed out that
all political leaders would have done the same. Indeed, before the fixed-term parliament act PMs had greater flexibility on when to call the GE. If things were going well
or they had a weak opposition then they would go to the country early. If not, leave it until the very end.
It has always been thus.
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:04 pm
by ApusApus
cyprusgrump wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 4:20 pm
Cogs123 wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 3:07 pm
The delusion lies in the expectation of the promises they have made on the Brexit negotiations.
But that wasn't your complaint...
Your complaint was that she had called the election for political gain.
I merely pointed out that
all political leaders would have done the same. Indeed, before the fixed-term parliament act PMs had greater flexibility on when to call the GE. If things were going well
or they had a weak opposition then they would go to the country early. If not, leave it until the very end.
It has always been thus.
I have to agree, her decision was purely tactical, & logically I can't fault it!
Shane
Re: Labour election results 'catastrophic'
Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 5:22 pm
by josef k
Dominic wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2017 1:02 pm
I wasn't having a pop, I was stating a fact. The activists think they speak for the country. They are clearly deluded.
Can I just check Dominic? Are you saying that the activists in the Labour party (i.e. the members) shouldn't have a say in who their leader is to be? That is what democracy is all about isn't it?
If that is you view, who do you think should decide the Labour leader?
