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Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:19 pm
by Mark
Les
Superb well thought out post.
Thank you
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:51 pm
by Maggie B
I really really like your post Les Bean. . . . . . . . because right now, in politics . . . . . . . I don't know my A*se from my El*ow?? X Thankyou for giving your opinion.
Maggie B
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:53 am
by Varky
Mr Bean,
If what you say is true, wouldn't the powers that existed when the referendum was called, being more remainer than brexiteer, have ensured that those who voted were more likely to vote 'remain'.
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:01 pm
by Uncle D
He is so worried that there will be no Brexit at all he and others apparently are going to back Mays deal after all, what a paper hat!
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:21 pm
by Jimgym
Les Bean wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:40 am
Ironic that Rees-Mogg now wants to vote on May's deal (3rd time) because of new information and a change of circumstances
Isn't it great. Finally it seems that the will of the majority who voted will be adhered to. Democracy is a wonderful thing.
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:50 pm
by Firefly
Jimgym
I won't believe it until I see it, too many liars and cheats in power, all out for themselves at the end of the day.
Jackie
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:41 pm
by Aargent
Apparently the Government has rejected the Petition. I am sure Elvis and Mickey Mouse will be disappointed.
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:33 pm
by Jim B
It's interesting to note that democracy is a one way street to many on here, quite put out that Remainers have the audacity to suggest a second referendum but are very supportive of May putting forward her failed plan for a third or even a possible fourth attempt to get what after all is a very poor deal through parliament.
Jim
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:59 pm
by Jimgym
Jim B wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:33 pm
It's interesting to note that democracy is a one way street to many on here, quite put out that Remainers have the audacity to suggest a second referendum but are very supportive of May putting forward her failed plan for a third or even a possible fourth attempt to get what after all is a very poor deal through parliament.
Jim
Personally I would welcome a second referendum Jim, AFTER the result of the first one has been enacted and had time to settle in. To me, that is democracy in action, as I have stated on here many times. I
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:36 pm
by Firefly
Say for arguments sake there was to be a second referendum, and the vote was the same, leave, would the remainers put up and shut up, I guess not !
Ludicrous to even suggest a second referendum, the government doesn't want to act upon the result of the first one !
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:14 pm
by ApusApus
No, on 2 accounts! Firstly, there isn't going to be a second referendum and secondly the remainers won't put up and shut up anyway!
Shane
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:28 am
by Jimgward
DUP aren’t backing her.... and another shambles of a day in parliaments;
I think the only option is;
Second referendum with two choices - Remain or Leave - plus a further option of, if Leave wins, then No Deal or May’s deal
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:00 am
by Dominic
I think they should have a referendum with three options:
1. Remain
2. No Deal
3. May's Deal
If Remain gets over 50%, then remain. If not, then whoever came second wins. That way, the leavers won't get their vote split, which would be unfair.
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:02 am
by Jim B
Jimgym wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:59 pm
Jim B wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:33 pm
It's interesting to note that democracy is a one way street to many on here, quite put out that Remainers have the audacity to suggest a second referendum but are very supportive of May putting forward her failed plan for a third or even a possible fourth attempt to get what after all is a very poor deal through parliament.
Jim
Personally I would welcome a second referendum Jim, AFTER the result of the first one has been enacted and had time to settle in. To me, that is democracy in action, as I have stated on here many times. I
Hi Alan
If your're quite happy to risk losing the EU rebates, joining the Schengen agreement and becoming part of the Euro area that's the way to go. We presently hold a good few opt_outs but if we do leave and vote to rejoin we will lose them all.
Jim
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:02 am
by trevnhil
The problem I see in those choices is, how will people know exactly what is in all the pages of 'May's Deal' ??
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:43 am
by Jim B
Hudswell
Wrong again; her agreement ties us to the EU without any say in the running of the EU and there's no walking away at a later date without putting us back to where we are right now.
I have read several synopses from both remain and leave groups and the general consensus it's a bad deal that leaves us worse off than the deal we have now.
Jim
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:07 pm
by Jimgym
So presumably if a second referendum were to happen we could ignore the result and carry on could we? What is the point of people voting if it’s going to be ignored?
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:10 pm
by Jimgym
Jim B wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 9:02 am
Jimgym wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:59 pm
Jim B wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:33 pm
It's interesting to note that democracy is a one way street to many on here, quite put out that Remainers have the audacity to suggest a second referendum but are very supportive of May putting forward her failed plan for a third or even a possible fourth attempt to get what after all is a very poor deal through parliament.
Jim
Personally I would welcome a second referendum Jim, AFTER the result of the first one has been enacted and had time to settle in. To me, that is democracy in action, as I have stated on here many times. I
Jim it’s irrelevant what I am happy to lose. I’m merely pointing out that the wishes of the majority who voted should be carried out. I didn’t vote in the referendum as I could t decide what to do. However I feel very strongly about the result being acted upon.
Hi Alan
If your're quite happy to risk losing the EU rebates, joining the Schengen agreement and becoming part of the Euro area that's the way to go. We presently hold a good few opt_outs but if we do leave and vote to rejoin we will lose them all.
Jim
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:13 pm
by Firefly
Dominic
I don't care for your three pronged referendum, it splits the Brexiteers vote in half, that would more or less guarantee a remain result wouldn't it !
Jackie
Re: Petition to revoke Article 50 ...
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:25 pm
by Jimgward
What is 100% certain, is that NOBODY can say, that the UK is financially better off outside the EU single market. Even Fox admitted that any deal on the table at present (all 3 of them) would be worse than we have at present.
Those who voted Leave, had even less knowledge of what it implied, than they do today, so why is it so difficult for people to understand that a second vote is needed, as parliament cannot decide any course of action and it is 100% clear that people like Rees-Mogg are simply self-serving. Almost all the influencers within the Tories admit that the Party is more important than the country. What a state of affairs!