Paphos Life

Poppy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:04 pm I did challenge HIC some time ago with the proposal that Ohsusana was his alter ego but he denied it. Certainly some similar and some differing traits,both being rude and arrogant but Lloyd can spell!!
However it does seem rather strange that just at the time when Lloyd bemoans the fact he has little or no support for his views she appears again.

Sorry Lloyd I posted a quick reply so no emotives!!

'They' share remarkably similar positions on everything and he/she/it do appear to be the only ones agreeing with each other and praising their comments...

Apparently, I gave my 'life story' to OhSusana at the classic car show at Pafos harbour in 2014. I'm planning to be there again this weekend so it will be interesting to see if my personal stalker turns up to discover the latest intimate details of my life so he/she/it can post them on the Interwebz....

If you're sporting your funny hat & red nose I'll look out for you!


Shane

Don't worry, I don't have your profile & I'm not your average expat either!

But oddly enough, I did vote to remain & would do so again if we had a rerun! However, we live in a democracy & the result went against my views but I am quite willing to abide by democratic principles & accept the result! Obviously, some on here do not share this view of democracy (though I can't think of any other description of democracy you could subscribe to?), & think you can keep "throwing the dice" until you get the result you desire ................... but then again so could the other side had it gone the opposite way!


Shane

"Apparently, I gave my 'life story' to OhSusana at the classic car show at Pafos harbour in 2014. I'm planning to be there again this weekend so it will be interesting to see if my personal stalker turns up to discover the latest intimate details of my life so he/she/it can post them on the Interwebz.... "

Grumps it's her psychobabble persona, she/he/it thinks it's amusing to make you think she/he/it knows about you. She/he/it tried it on with me on here as many of you know.

She/he/it will get a hefty legal shock if she tries it on again here, or indeed, in reality!
Maybe check with your lawyer! Stalkers are rarely treated kindly by the legal profession!

ApusApus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:57 pm If you're sporting your funny hat & red nose I'll look out for you!


Shane

No, I'll be sporting a white Mini...

ApusApus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:52 pm Don't worry, I don't have your profile & I'm not your average expat either!

But oddly enough, I did vote to remain & would do so again if we had a rerun! However, we live in a democracy & the result went against my views but I am quite willing to abide by democratic principles & accept the result! Obviously, some on here do not share this view of democracy (though I can't think of any other description of democracy you could subscribe to?), & think you can keep "throwing the dice" until you get the result you desire ................... but then again so could the other side had it gone the opposite way!


Shane

I'm sure the Brexiteers would have continued to campaign for it had the vote been for remain instead of leave. After all, the vote was expected to have been close.

And I'm sure we would have been posting lots of 'I told you so' when the European Army was introduced and that sort of thing.

But I don't think you would have seen this bizarre reaction that we have had from some of the Remainers since the vote. Sure, we'd have been hoping for another chance at some point in the future, but not demanding another throw of the dice because we didn't get double-six.

Come off it. Farage would have tried to get people out on the streets.

Dominic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:21 pm Come off it. Farage would have tried to get people out on the streets.

Firstly, I don't think he would - it is not his style.

Secondly, I don't honestly believe most Brexiteers would have responded in that way.

You need to consider; there are many of us Brexiteers have been passionate about leaving the EU for years - long before a referendum was ever really considered to be a possibility. We have been patiently and calmly campaigning, becoming involved in debates, commenting on websites and forums such as this and attempting to convince people that the EU isn't what it was cracked up to be and we'd be better off out.

I am absolutely sure that had the vote been 'Remain' (as many of us expected), we would have continued with that process.

Certainly not crying 'foul', demanding a second referendum, shouting that 'the sky is falling', etc.

Many of us, including me, thought the referendum result would be close, but that the Remain Camp would ultimately succeed. Whilst not what we would have wanted, we would have accepted the result and the closeness of the vote would have been sufficient to fire a shot across the bow of our government and the EU that we did not want further political union.

cyprusgrump wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:05 pm

Dominic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:21 pm Come off it. Farage would have tried to get people out on the streets.

Firstly, I don't think he would - it is not his style.

Secondly, I don't honestly believe most Brexiteers would have responded in that way.

You need to consider; there are many of us Brexiteers have been passionate about leaving the EU for years - long before a referendum was ever really considered to be a possibility. We have been patiently and calmly campaigning, becoming involved in debates, commenting on websites and forums such as this and attempting to convince people that the EU isn't what it was cracked up to be and we'd be better off out.

I am absolutely sure that had the vote been 'Remain' (as many of us expected), we would have continued with that process.

Certainly not crying 'foul', demanding a second referendum, shouting that 'the sky is falling', etc.

Well what about this then?

Nigel Farage wants second referendum if Remain campaign scrapes narrow win
The Ukip leader speaks to the Mirror’s Associate Editor Kevin Maguire and warns that a '52-48 result would be unfinished business'

Full Story

This was widely reported at the time.

Dominic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:11 pm

cyprusgrump wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:05 pm

Dominic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:21 pm Come off it. Farage would have tried to get people out on the streets.

Firstly, I don't think he would - it is not his style.

Secondly, I don't honestly believe most Brexiteers would have responded in that way.

You need to consider; there are many of us Brexiteers have been passionate about leaving the EU for years - long before a referendum was ever really considered to be a possibility. We have been patiently and calmly campaigning, becoming involved in debates, commenting on websites and forums such as this and attempting to convince people that the EU isn't what it was cracked up to be and we'd be better off out.

I am absolutely sure that had the vote been 'Remain' (as many of us expected), we would have continued with that process.

Certainly not crying 'foul', demanding a second referendum, shouting that 'the sky is falling', etc.

Well what about this then?

Nigel Farage wants second referendum if Remain campaign scrapes narrow win
The Ukip leader speaks to the Mirror’s Associate Editor Kevin Maguire and warns that a '52-48 result would be unfinished business'

Full Story

This was widely reported at the time.

Indeed...

How is that any different to what I just argued...?

He wasn't arguing that the referendum would be considered null and void or that there should be a referendum on the outcome of the referendum or that we should go through the courts to try and block the outcome of the referendum or that the public didn't know what they were voting for or that the Lords should try and block the referendum result.

Nor was he suggesting that the people should take to the streets.

He was just stating (as I did) that we (Brexiteers) would continue to campaign for an exit from the EU if the vote was Remain - as he had done for the past 20 years - patiently and calmly...

cyprusgrump wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:05 pm
Certainly not crying 'foul', demanding a second referendum, shouting that 'the sky is falling', etc.

Here, you said he wouldn't be demanding a second referendum. Those were your exact words. Whereas the article said he WOULD be.

Dominic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:45 pm

cyprusgrump wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:05 pm
Certainly not crying 'foul', demanding a second referendum, shouting that 'the sky is falling', etc.

Here, you said he wouldn't be demanding a second referendum. Those were your exact words. Whereas the article said he WOULD be.

And you said he would have tried 'to get people out on the streets' but there isn't any evidence of that either...

The point was, as I interpret it, Nigel was saying that if the vote was close he would continue campaigning for another referendum at some point in the future. If it was one third two thirds it would be game over.

That is rather different from demanding another referendum now to overturn or in some way ratify the result of an referendum that we have just had and which has not been implemented yet.

OK?

cyprusgrump wrote: ↑Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:06 am

Dominic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:45 pm

cyprusgrump wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:05 pm
Certainly not crying 'foul', demanding a second referendum, shouting that 'the sky is falling', etc.

Here, you said he wouldn't be demanding a second referendum. Those were your exact words. Whereas the article said he WOULD be.

And you said he would have tried 'to get people out on the streets' but there isn't any evidence of that either...

The point was, as I interpret it, Nigel was saying that if the vote was close he would continue campaigning for another referendum at some point in the future. If it was one third two thirds it would be game over.

That is rather different from demanding another referendum now to overturn or in some way ratify the result of an referendum that we have just had and which has not been implemented yet.

OK?

I think I was mistaking some of Trump's rhetoric for Farage, so I will give you that. However, it was an easy mistake to make.

Hudswell wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:14 pm
I actually doubt very much if the average expat in Cyprus has my profile..I certainly hope not..

You may be right. I just considered the following - employment / age / status...
1. You are military - or ex-military, and there seem to be an awful lot of British ex-military on the island. My hubby's best friend is an ex-marine - neighbour. Lovely guy. And he obviously knows, and meets up with lots of other colleagues.
And in my local church there are many ex-military. I would say at least a third of the male congregation!
2. I assume you are retired.
3. I assume that you would likely vote for May rather than Corbyn.

In that sense - and I am making assumptions - 1.2.3. - being a retired officer, pro-Brexit, I assume, conservative party leaning, I would say you were quite typical of many on the island. ?!

smudger wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:25 pm
Why she assumes degrees correlate with intelligence is beyond me.

No comment.
But others might be able to read and comprehend this, for example -

On page 63 of Charles Murray’s book Coming Apart, he displays data on the mean IQ’s of people with various education levels, as of age 25. Although the data is only for white Americans, the white IQ distribution is fairly similar to that of Americans as a whole. He shows data for both 1982-1989 and 2005-2009. Since the data is virtually identical for both eras, I’ll describe the more recent stats:

White Americans with no degree (about 10 years of completed education?): Average IQ 87
White Americans with high school diploma/GED (about 12 years education?): Average IQ 99
White Americans with an Associate degree (about 14 years education?): Average IQ 104
White Americans with a Bachelor’s degree (about 16 years education?): Average IQ 113
White Americans with a Master’s degree (about 18 years education?): Average IQ 117
White Americans with PhD, LLD, MD, DDS (about 20 years education?): Average IQ 124

The relationship between IQ and years of education seems pretty linear.
[and so on]
https://brainsize.wordpress.com/2014/06 ... education/

This article below is more philosophical, but also interesting, raising some important questions, such as -

Intelligence and education: clearly correlated, but what is the direction of causation?

Intelligence and education have been studied together since the earliest empirical research on these topics. Spearman2 found teachers’ estimates of intelligence to be correlated with school exam results. Binet3 developed what we now know as intelligence quotient (IQ) tests to identify those children who would not benefit from normal education. When intelligence and educational outcomes—often assessed as years of full-time education or as highest achieved qualification, and also by school grades or educational achievement test scores—are measured at about the same time, a typical correlation is ∼0.5.4 Like any other correlation, a cross-sectional correlation between intelligence and education demands an open mind with regard to causal interpretation. Perhaps more intelligent people gain access to more and higher-level education. Perhaps exposure to more education causes higher intelligence test scores. The problem is one that is basic to epidemiology: what is person and what is situation, what is genetic and what is environmental and what is cause and what is effect? Influences may flow in both directions, and longitudinal studies can help to quantify their relative magnitudes....
...
[and much further on in this long article]
Finally, we should not be blinkered by considering only intelligence and education. It should be kept in mind that there might be other variables that contribute to the association between intelligence and education. ...
https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/39 ... erceptions

Another study in Science Direct
Increased educational level is related with higher IQ scores but lower g-variance: Evidence from the standardization of the WAIS-R for Italy
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9615000355

And this from a study in Norway -
Study: More Education Increases IQ Score
[how large was the sample - ]
So, she and her colleagues were able to sift through data on 107,000 draft-age young men, correlating their years of education with their IQ scores obtained by the military.
https://www.voanews.com/a/study-more-ed ... 69492.html

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Please note.
I am not saying that people with a lower level of education are stupid.
I am not saying that all people with a higher degree are intelligent.
I know many people who left school - even at 13 - who are incredibly intelligent.
And I know some people with several degrees who I would regard as thick as two short planks.
However, overall, the evidence shows a correlation.

I should also add - the fact that young people tended to vote more in favour of Remain, and older people for Brexit - it should not make people angry. It is simply a statistic. And the same with educational level and the Brexit result.
The more interesting question is why this occured. And what implications this might have for the future.

Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:49 am Have been seriously busy at work this week, so have no had time to dip into this thread, meet old friends and so on.

...

And look, it seems that the UK may have to pay €5 billion a year for continued access to the single European market. That, plus the €50 billion exit bill kinda takes away some/most/all of the supposed savings by leaving Europe, wouldn't you say?

Wow, no wonder you are so busy at work!

You appear believe 'negotiating' works as follows: -

Customer: I'd like my pool re-lined please
HiC: Excellent choice - we charge €5,000
Customer: I'm only going to pay you €500
HiC: Fine. We'll install it tomorrow.

Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:54 am And people still think Brexit was a good idea? Honestly?

I think you'll find that most of us that were pro-Brexit for the reasons discussed on this and other boards are still completely for leaving the EU.

Perhaps you can give us an update on your son? How does he feel about it after all your sneering and 'I told you so' finger pointing?

Oh come on Lloyd,no one has a clue how much we are going to pay!! Do I need to remind you that negotiations have not yet begun? We all know it is going to cost something but just what no one knows and at least we will have back our own management of our country rather than having to adhere to the EU.
I state categorically here and now that people will still be queuing up to work in the UK and we shall have our pick of the best.

There ha been a drop of EU Nurse applicants by 96% since the Brexit vote. which contradicts your statement that the best are queuing up to work in Britain.

Jim