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'I was WRONG' Carney admits Bank of England Brexit prediction MISTAKE
BANK of England Governor Mark Carney has had to admit that his predictions of Brexit gloom were wrong as he gave an upbeat message on the economy.

Dont suppose HiC will ever admit he is wrong

No mention here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44721670

Any link?

Bbc might not have used the same words , but the express did .

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/98455 ... ake-latest

Mrblobby wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:55 am Bbc might not have used the same words , but the express did .

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/98455 ... ake-latest

So, the headline says that, but not the actual article!

merchant_banker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:02 am 'I was WRONG' Carney admits Bank of England Brexit prediction MISTAKE
BANK of England Governor Mark Carney has had to admit that his predictions of Brexit gloom were wrong as he gave an upbeat message on the economy.

Dont suppose HiC will ever admit he is wrong

This nothing like you say.... He admitted that in some areas, it wasn’t as bad as he predicted, but overall there was still gloom.... I saw the interview.

The Express has similar headlines, but of course Mark Carney isn't going to admit he was scaremongering is he, he's still a remainer ! Predictions are not fact, just one person's thoughts.

Doom and Gloom, what a terrible outlook for these poor people. Never mind, we Brexiteers will cheer you up.

Jackie

The Gammons are getting more and more desperate, it seems.

One man's remoaner is another man's gammon.

There is a new term of abuse in politics: a “gammon”. It refers to a middle-aged white man of a certain political persuasion. He is a Brexiteer. He is ugly. He is a conservative. He may wear hideous trousers. And, because he is a Brexiteer and so very ugly and a conservative who may wear hideous trousers, why not call him a gammon? Particularly if you are in politics to have fun, rather than to change minds.
The term is stupid – all name-calling is. Good politics is made of ideas and coalitions and compromises. It’s hard to do, of course, it requires patience and humility, not shouting and grandstanding and undiagnosed malignant narcissism. But calling someone a gammon is not only a stupid waste of a two-syllable word, and meal. It is also, to steal leftist language, hate speech. There seems to be an idea, most recently spoken by Owen Jones, that when the left says something – whatever it is – it is not, and never can be, hate speech. So, let me – as a Jew, shall we say? – explain why it is.
Gammon is pig. And who eats pig? Not Jews and not Muslims. Christians eat pork, white and black. But gammon refers to whites only – to white Christians, then. So now white Christians have their own personal term of abuse, courtesy of the new left. Thank you. For what exactly? For making political discourse cheaper and more disgusting every day? For alienating potential allies in the battle against austerity? For making racial and religious slurs a little more acceptable, while all the time claiming to loathe them, which is, if you have no self-awareness allow me to make you aware of it, hypocrisy? For making floating voters think that socialists are screaming, useless kids who will tear down a world and forget to build another one for name-calling on Twitter? For behaving just as you say your enemies do?
I’m sure the term didn’t begin as a racist slur. It was, as it so often is, a writer trying to be funny.
No one is sure who said it first – they are hardly fighting over it. Dickens used it, but he died before Twitter, and I am happy for him. The journalist Caitlin Moran compared David Cameron to ham and I can see her point. (She didn’t call him “ham”.) The comic Nish Kumar has said “gammon”, as has the writer Ben Davis, who has since written an article apologising for it. It doesn’t really matter. What matters is that it is the discourse of the sewer. It’s like calling a Jew a k**e or mocking African Americans for eating fried chicken. It’s like calling poor white Americans trailer trash. So much of this sounds like American culture wars transported, horribly and no doubt eternally, to England. It reeks of class snobbery too; no wonder it is popular with the socialist bourgeoisie who, like Citizen Kane, talk about the people as if they own them.
Much of this racism is oblivious, of course, but most racism is oblivious. It isn’t all shooting people in the face. To do that, you must first dehumanise them. And I can’t really think of a better modern example of dehumanisation than comparing your fellow voter to a pig because you don’t like his politics. For saying this, I will be called a Tory and worse. I’m not. I’m Labour. Compute that, comrades.
http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/wh ... ammon-mean

It is no more stupid a term than remoaner. So why aren't you telling Merchant Banker off? Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

No.

I am not telling you or anyone else off. The above is offered as a guide for those who are, as yet, unfamiliar with the term- which you obviously are not.

But that isn't a definition, it is a rebuttal.

Desperation starting to surface from the brex**iteers who have remained silent for such a long time.... ,methinks...

And that is the most inconsequential non-sequitur you’ve managed to come up with in a long time, Jim.
Keep it down to one shandy and you’ll be just fine.

Thank you for an interesting post Kingfisher.

Here's another take on the subject:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 52281.html

Gammon, the traditional pork steak commonly served in British pubs, has become the subject of unlikely uproar on Twitter.

Members of the British left have been invoking the hearty cut – routinely served with a fried egg and chips or a limp pineapple ring – as an insult with which to describe red-faced conservative men and Ukippers ranting about Brexit.

Those on the right have been quick to counter that the term is racist on the grounds that it is intended to maliciously offend people based on the colour of their skin. The counter-counter-argument is that the right frequently complain about the prevalence of “identity politics” in public debate and now look ridiculous atop their high horses given the huge number of derogatory terms they cast about online to smear their political opponents.

This sums it up:

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Alt right: “Snowflake! Cuck! Remoaner! Libtard! Beta! SJW! Triggered!”

Left: “Gammon!”

Alt right: “How dare you call people names!"

Oh dear, this is all becoming quite stupid, It's so childish I cannot believe what I'm reading.

Jackie

Thank you for your kind words, Jimgym. @10.40
The article came from GQ Magazine- anything except MSM of any shade- from far left Guardian, “Independent”(!), through to Mail and Telegraph on the right- they all suffer from poor journalism, with biased and shoddy writing.
Eight times as many people now go on to university than when I was at school, the place is awash with Ph.Ds, yet the standards of writing, spelling and journalism are decidedly lower now.
Then, there were some "comics", like the Mirror and Sun, but balanced by the quality papers like the Telegraph, and Guardian, [which I used to enjoy in the sixties and early seventies, till it veered left.].
Progress!

I tried over a year ago to get people to stop using words like "remoaner" on the forum, but still it continues.

I banned it for a while, but people moaned about it, and sought ways around it, so I eventually gave up. When the word "gammon" appeared, I saw it as an opportunity.

Hopefully now, people will realise that "banter" isn't all it is cracked up to be, and have political debates without name-calling.