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Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:01 pm
by PhotoLady
Another incident just coming to light at the Louvre in Paris. Big security procedures underway
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38853841
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:29 pm
by Firefly
A bit much when he was only after a sarnie ! If he had a machete, maybe it was a B.R. pork pie he wanted.
Jackie
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:52 pm
by Jersey
Will they issue a artist's impression ?
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:00 pm
by keving
Bassman62 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:58 pm
The attackers daddy has criticized the soldier for using excessive force on his little boy.
I heard it was 5 bullets into the stomach. That was good grouping ...
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:37 pm
by PhotoLady
At least he isn't dead..... and is no longer in a critical condition. However, he's still unable to communicate with anyone at present and so cannot be questioned. Sounds to me like the French soldiers did a pretty good job.
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:16 pm
by johnoddy
A rather excessive use of force, typical of soldiers, they think that because we pay them to protect us they can get away with anything! I hope, as I'm sure many on this forum do, that the soldier in question is hounded for the next 30 years because of his callous actions regardless of how many lives he may have saved.
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:28 pm
by PW in Polemi
I'm torn between
Reaction A) Good shot, soldier. But you should have finished the job to prevent others from following this guy's example. (Which maybe leads to us becoming as bad and ruthless as the terrorists themselves

)
and
Reaction B) Surely one well aimed shot would have been sufficient to incapacitate the attacker. (Which maybe leads to the terrorists becoming a drain on the taxpayer with court cases and appeals and prison sentences

)
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:40 pm
by keving
Do men join the army with the over-riding aim to protect us who live in the UK?
Or do they join for action (and I guess excitement)? "Not having an Afghanistan does have an impact on recruiting".
I guess I can't believe this report from the right wing Telegraph:
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www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.u ... ggles/amp/
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:45 pm
by keving
PW in Polemi wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:28 pm
I'm torn between
Reaction A) Good shot, soldier. But you should have finished the job to prevent others from following this guy's example. (Which maybe leads to us becoming as bad and ruthless as the terrorists themselves

)
and
Reaction B) Surely one well aimed shot would have been sufficient to incapacitate the attacker. (Which maybe leads to the terrorists becoming a drain on the taxpayer with court cases and appeals and prison sentences

)
You're going to get splinters
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:45 pm
by PhotoLady
But where do you aim a single shot to incapacitate?
Knee capping would be a good thing I guess - when someone has a machete in both hands, or do you run the risk of just shooting one hand knowing he could get someone with the other whilst still having both legs working?
Decisions, decisions, eh..... how long do you get to make one?
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:54 pm
by keving
PhotoLady wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:45 pm
But where do you aim a single shot to incapacitate?
Knee capping would be a good thing I guess - when someone has a machete in both hands, or do you run the risk of just shooting one hand knowing he could get someone with the other whilst still having both legs working?
Decisions, decisions, eh..... how long do you get to make one?
Head shot! I've watched my son play Call of Duty more times than I care to remember with him talking into a headset to his mate somewhere on the internet.
Yes, its a headshot everytime which got them excited.
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:58 pm
by PhotoLady
I think it would do a bit more than incapacitate them, wouldn't it? Not having been in that position or having been trained by the military, that's just my opinion anyway

Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:06 pm
by keving
PhotoLady wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:58 pm
I think it would do a bit more than incapacitate them, wouldn't it? Not having been in that position or having been trained by the military, that's just my opinion anyway
No it would spectacularly kill them, with a great big hole at the back of their skull with their brains spilling out onto the ground. Result!
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:12 pm
by PW in Polemi
Keving ad photolady...
Which brings us back to my Reaction A and comment thereafter...
Reaction A) Good shot, soldier. But you should have finished the job to prevent others from following this guy's example. (Which maybe leads to us becoming as bad and ruthless as the terrorists themselves

)
And I only get splinters, Keving, if the fence wot I'm sat on is wooden.

Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:29 pm
by keving
PW in Polemi wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:12 pm
Keving ad photolady...
Which brings us back to my Reaction A and comment thereafter...
Reaction A) Good shot, soldier. But you should have finished the job to prevent others from following this guy's example. (Which maybe leads to us becoming as bad and ruthless as the terrorists themselves

)
And I only get splinters, Keving, if the fence wot I'm sat on is wooden.
Kay, I'm glad to see that you got my reference to splinters. A few people might not have got it.
If you look back to one of my earlier posts on this thread ... about the Army having difficulty recruiting because of the lack of operations like Afghanistan, then I'm all for soldiers being allowed head shots if it encourages more people to join the army
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:45 pm
by Jimgym
Personally I say shoot to kill, easy for me to say of course as it's not my finger on the trigger. However it saves a lot of money and effort of a trial and removes a piece of scum intent on harming innocent people. Sounds harsh I know, but that is the world we now live in.
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:55 pm
by Firefly
Jimgym
Very true.
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:57 pm
by johnoddy
Austin7 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:10 pm
Surely you always aim at the widest part of the body, to aim at knees or head could result in a miss which could directly hit an innocent person or do the same damage by the bullet/s ricocheting off a wall.
Three to the chest, walk forward, one to the head.....next target. Military use three shots to the chest, three is deemed sufficient to kill, civillian Police are trained to shoot twice to the chest as this is not necessary lethal, the head shot is up to the individual and is the cause of a lot of controversy.
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:10 pm
by Rita Sherry
Unbelievable but predictable responses with the exception of Jules and PWinPolemi which were at least reasoned
Jules - split second is the answer to your question of "how long"
Good luck soldier wherever you are and thank you.
Rita
Re: Incident at The Louvre in Paris
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:14 pm
by Rita Sherry
Hudswell - Well done
Rita