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Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:52 pm
by Expresspete
Can anyone advise please? Do I need to gain planning permission to erect a pergola with a tiled roof on my property (in Peyia)?
Thank you in advance

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:50 pm
by geoffreys
This is one of those "how long is a piece of string" questions.
The answer is Yes and No - depending on size as a percentage of the main building, and so on. Quite a complex issue actually.
First port of call should be the local Council/Community Council/Muhktar's office - ask there and then take it from there.
Geoff.

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:04 pm
by Expresspete
Thank you Geoff

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:26 pm
by PW in Polemi
If you don't have full title deeds, you may find you have to remove said pergola in order for the deeds to be issued at whatever future date. I've seen other people have to remove their various extensions/additions before full deeds could be issued.

The area your property's plot is in will be designated with a % covered area and if your pergola's roof size added to the existing buildings comes to more than that, then you may have to settle for a "temporary" pergola roof rather than a tiled roof.

As Geoff says, go to Pegeia Council Offices and try to find somebody helpful there - take your plans showing exactly where your plot is and where/how large the existing building is, as well as details of the planned pergola.

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:53 pm
by Expresspete
Thank you Kay (I have full Title Deeds btw)

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:11 pm
by PW in Polemi
Thanks for that info, Lloyd.

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:17 pm
by PaphosAL
My calculated guess is that since you already have full Title Deeds, you're home and dry with your proposed tiled Pergola extension, without the need for Planning.

Caveat: So long as you keep the existing and (proposed new) covered areas in sensible proportions, and don't try to roof your entire back garden! AL :)

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:28 pm
by cyprusmax47
PaphosAL wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:17 pm My calculated guess is that since you already have full Title Deeds, you're home and dry with your proposed tiled Pergola extension, without the need for Planning.

AL :)
Absolutely right Alan. When you have full Title Deeds who should come to check. I would not go anywhere to ask for a permit. I have built four houses in the last 35 years with many extensions after the Title Deeds. ;) :) and never had any problem.

Max

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:39 pm
by PaphosAL
I'm ever so glad you agreed with my calculated (and distant) guess, Max! You have seriously made my night tonight, thanks!

Yia Mas! AL :)

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:31 pm
by Expresspete
Thank you one and all 👍

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:07 pm
by PaphosAL
You're more than welcome, Peter! Please share some photos of your project here on PL, when it's all done and dusted!

Plus a recommendation for whoever did it for you, if you were happy with their price, workmanship, quality of materials, and so on...

ATB- AL :)

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:08 pm
by WHL
cyprusmax47 wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:28 pm
PaphosAL wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:17 pm My calculated guess is that since you already have full Title Deeds, you're home and dry with your proposed tiled Pergola extension, without the need for Planning.

AL :)
Absolutely right Alan. When you have full Title Deeds who should come to check. I would not go anywhere to ask for a permit. I have built four houses in the last 35 years with many extensions after the Title Deeds. ;) :) and never had any problem.

Max
You've been extremely lucky...not everyone will have your luck, maybe a neighbor might grass you up. Best to go the legal route always

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:45 pm
by PaphosAL
Oh come on now please, WHL! We're only talking about a smallish covered pergola extension to the side or rear of the house, to provide a nice shaded outdoor eating area in Summer, or dry area in Winter if it's raining, surely?

It's not like Peter is planning to raise the house another level, or build a granny apartment in his back garden, is it? I don't expect to win this discussion with you, btw. You'll want the last word for sure, guaranteed...

Cheers- AL :)

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:48 am
by WHL
PaphosAL wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:45 pm Oh come on now please, WHL! We're only talking about a smallish covered pergola extension to the side or rear of the house, to provide a nice shaded outdoor eating area in Summer, or dry area in Winter if it's raining, surely?

It's not like Peter is planning to raise the house another level, or build a granny apartment in his back garden, is it? I don't expect to win this discussion with you, btw. You'll want the last word for sure, guaranteed...

Cheers- AL :)
Mate I sugest you try reading what I actually wrote before, getting on your high horse...my reply was to Cyprusmax, who wrote,
Absolutely right Alan. When you have full Title Deeds who should come to check. I would not go anywhere to ask for a permit. I have built four houses in the last 35 years with many extensions after the Title Deeds. ;) :) and never had any problem.

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:58 am
by merchant_banker
If you dont have permission then there is likely to be problems when its sold.

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:36 am
by geoffreys
merchant_banker wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:58 am If you dont have permission then there is likely to be problems when its sold.
Correct, because the "extension" won't be shown on the plans that go with the TDs. Even if your "extension" does not require planning permission, the plans that go with the TDs should be updated and a copy filed with the Land Registry.
As WHL said best to go the legal route.
Geoff.

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:39 pm
by geoffreys
Austin7 wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:23 pm As I read it the OP was asking about a pergola with a tiled roof. No mention was made about an extension to the house nor did he say it was to be adjoining the house. IMHO if you erect an open sided pergola, even if it is to be a car port attached to the house, of course you do not need planning permission (as long as you have your TDs) and to start asking 'officials' will open you up to a load of unnecessary hassle.
The OP said it was a tiled pergola "on his property". The word extension was being used to describe ANY form of addition to his property, whether attached to the house or not. Whatever it is, whether it requires planning permission or not, it should be included on the site plans in order to avoid future problems and filed with the LR.
Geoff.

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:58 pm
by cyprusmax47
Austin7 wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:23 pm As I read it the OP was asking about a pergola with a tiled roof. No mention was made about an extension to the house nor did he say it was to be adjoining the house. IMHO if you erect an open sided pergola, even if it is to be a car port attached to the house, of course you do not need planning permission (as long as you have your TDs) and to start asking 'officials' will open you up to a load of unnecessary hassle.
Thank you Austin7, It could not be explained better. I am glad never ever joined all the arguments on the politics section :D :D

(specially with the last sentence you hit the nail... ;) :!:

Max

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:51 pm
by geoffreys
cyprusmax47 wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:58 pm
Austin7 wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:23 pm As I read it the OP was asking about a pergola with a tiled roof. No mention was made about an extension to the house nor did he say it was to be adjoining the house. IMHO if you erect an open sided pergola, even if it is to be a car port attached to the house, of course you do not need planning permission (as long as you have your TDs) and to start asking 'officials' will open you up to a load of unnecessary hassle.
Thank you Austin7, It could not be explained better. I am glad never ever joined all the arguments on the politics section :D :D

(specially with the last sentence you hit the nail... ;) :!:

Max
No argument. The OP asked for advice and that is what he got.
It is entirely up to him whether or not he chooses to heed such advice.
Thank you.
Geoff.

Re: Planning permission

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:01 pm
by WHL
geoffreys wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:51 pm
cyprusmax47 wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:58 pm
Austin7 wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:23 pm As I read it the OP was asking about a pergola with a tiled roof. No mention was made about an extension to the house nor did he say it was to be adjoining the house. IMHO if you erect an open sided pergola, even if it is to be a car port attached to the house, of course you do not need planning permission (as long as you have your TDs) and to start asking 'officials' will open you up to a load of unnecessary hassle.
Thank you Austin7, It could not be explained better. I am glad never ever joined all the arguments on the politics section :D :D

(specially with the last sentence you hit the nail... ;) :!:

Max
No argument. The OP asked for advice and that is what he got.
It is entirely up to him whether or not he chooses to heed such advice.
Thank you.
Geoff.
Got to agree with Geoff, Its alright for Cyprusmax to tell him to go ahead and not worry about planning permission, and that Cyprusmax has stated he has build many extensions without planing permission, but when someone asks a question on a forum, surely its only right to advice them of the problems they might have, if they illegally build.