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What if the will of the people is now for a second referendum on Brexit?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... heresa-may
Britain’s weakness outside the EU is clear, and public opinion has swung sharply against Theresa May’s approach. Don’t think there is no turning back

The UK is in turmoil. Sixteen months ago, when David Cameron announced the date of the EU referendum, we were the fastest growing economy in the western world and the envy of Europe. The Brexiteers were convinced that Europe was on its way to ruin. Now Britain is becoming the laughing stock of Europe. The pound has weakened. Inflation is six times higher than the 0.5% it was a year ago. Today, inflation is 2.9% and wage growth is 1.7%. Europe is growing faster than Britain....

Trade already makes up 65% of our GDP. There are few more open trading economies than the UK. We are the third highest recipient of foreign direct investment in the ​world, and the highest recipient of foreign direct investment in the EU. To leave the EU would be to leave 50% of our trade – 45% of our exports and 55% of our imports....

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Author, I believe, owns a beer company, among other things )

You got to laugh at these so called Democrats, lets keep voting till we get the result we want..Pathetic.

First thing I did was to see from where the original report came from and all became clear. HiC and The Guardian sing the same song.

OhSusana wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:10 am What if the will of the people is now for a second referendum on Brexit?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... heresa-may
Britain’s weakness outside the EU is clear, and public opinion has swung sharply against Theresa May’s approach. Don’t think there is no turning back

The UK is in turmoil. Sixteen months ago, when David Cameron announced the date of the EU referendum, we were the fastest growing economy in the western world and the envy of Europe. The Brexiteers were convinced that Europe was on its way to ruin. Now Britain is becoming the laughing stock of Europe. The pound has weakened. Inflation is six times higher than the 0.5% it was a year ago. Today, inflation is 2.9% and wage growth is 1.7%. Europe is growing faster than Britain....

Trade already makes up 65% of our GDP. There are few more open trading economies than the UK. We are the third highest recipient of foreign direct investment in the ​world, and the highest recipient of foreign direct investment in the EU. To leave the EU would be to leave 50% of our trade – 45% of our exports and 55% of our imports....

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Author, I believe, owns a beer company, among other things )

So literally overnight, the UK will lose all trade with the EU countries. And Vice Versa. What a crock of twaddle. There will still be trade, both ways. It may be a little more expensive but I really cannot see any EU leader dictating to all those firms in the EU who trade with the UK that effective March 30th 2019 your company will no longer be allowed to export your goods to the UK or import anything from the UK. And certainly that dictat will not be handed down to UK firms by our government.
And do not forget on March 30th 2019 if all this twaddle was to come true, well there are 170+ countries outside the beloved EU that will trade with the UK. Japan for instance, so no worries about Mercedes stopping exports to the UK, we can buy the Lexus. Argentina, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, the USA so no worries about not being able to buy French wine. The continent of Africa, which provides a whole load of foodstuff to the UK already so no change there.
This article is typical scarespeak and should be taken with a pinch of (Norwegian) salt.

Having spent the week, with a conservative Finnish MP and other Finnish business people, they are truly perplexed as to why Britain continues with the foolishness of brexit.

Finland and the Uk and a few others are about to sign a defence collaboration, which would bring us closer to them. They have obviously watched with considerable interest, what is happening. The year almost all watch UK tv programmes and our news, with interest. They know that voters were influenced by lack of valid information and in some cases, lies. They also cannot understand the UK wanting to go alone, in a world where strength in numbers means a lot. Russia, for example are delighted to see a weakened Britain and a weakened EU.

The nonsense about us being able to trade in the same way with other countries, like Argentina, is surely a joke? Apart form trade deals taking years to agree, what have we to offer these countries? A massive part of our GDP is now from finance and insurance. Companies are already moving or considering moving to other countries, like Ireland, or indeed Frankfurt, which will become the new finance capital of Europe.

Good luck to London - a city that voted remain as they could see the signs - as job losses and support for their economy will fall rapidly. How we believe we can sustain a major world city, which is massively multi-cultural, and where property is massively inflated, travel expenses, lack of social housing and a service economy using cheap foreign labour....

A second referendum is not illogical. The first was badly created, with one question and lies. Circumstance are rapidly changing and it wont be long until even fervent brexiteers see the shit flying from the fan. I honestly see no answer the way we are heading. May will never successfully negotiate any decent deal. She is weak, ineffective and lacking popular support. She doesn’t know what she wants. She isn’t regarded with any respect by EU leaders. She fought an election as “Vote Theresa May” rather than “Vote Conservative” with the result, she was handed a massive humble pie. She has the right to lead a government, but I predict her party will ditch her in 2017, before she totally screws them all. Self-preservation will lead her MPs to drop her like a stone.

I also met some people this week from Invest Northern Ireland. They spent two days in London at a Health and Care exhibition, dealing more with people ridiculing the DUP deal, as it exposed to most in England, how ridiculous their Province was, and how stupid the DUP policies were.I’m sure they’ve returned to Belfast this evening, feeling despondent that they came across more negatively than positive.

To me as an observer who isn´t affected directly (because I´m not British) it seems the situation could be compared to someone offering you a nice car without telling you the price of it. Before you commit to buying it you should have a say when it comes to the price. It shouldn´t be enough to say "Yes, I want it".

Hudswell wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:25 pm Not quite correct Jeba, because when the UK leaves there will be a significant reduction in income for the EU, and I can't see the smaller countries picking up the bill! It will be interesting to see exactly what measures are taken to cover the deficit.

What do you think isn´t quite correct? My allegory wasn´t meant to reflect the situation of smaller countries but that of the UK electorate who were made to opt for something without knowing the cost. I simply doubt that there are many who would say "I don´t care about the cost".

Well said, totally agree.

Jackie

Hudswell wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:40 pm When you say you will not be effected by Brexit....you will...there are no "observers" if the EU technocrats decide that the "budget" needs to be maintained where will the extra money come from?. The U.K. Electorate were not made to do anything, they voted in a free vote to leave... many will tell you the full facts were not on the table..they Were, we know we would leave the single market mechanism, we knew we would leave the EU legal system, we knew we would be in charge of our own destiny...this may seem strange to outsiders, but the UK is a fiercely proud country, our government tried hard to make the EU understand the depth of feeling, the need for change in the EU...the EU laughed and never believed we would vote to leave their precious Federal state....we have...there will be no second referendum, the U.K. Will leave and in the future I suspect others will follow.

Totally agree.

Hudswell wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:40 pm When you say you will not be effected by Brexit....you will...there are no "observers" if the EU technocrats decide that the "budget" needs to be maintained where will the extra money come from?. The U.K. Electorate were not made to do anything, they voted in a free vote to leave... many will tell you the full facts were not on the table..they Were, we know we would leave the single market mechanism, we knew we would leave the EU legal system, we knew we would be in charge of our own destiny...this may seem strange to outsiders, but the UK is a fiercely proud country, our government tried hard to make the EU understand the depth of feeling, the need for change in the EU...the EU laughed and never believed we would vote to leave their precious Federal state....we have...there will be no second referendum, the U.K. Will leave and in the future I suspect others will follow.

I never said I won´t be affected. I said I won´t be affected directly. I´m already feeling the indirect effect by seeing the value of my property trusts going down because they invested in the UK. And by the way: I hate that!
I doubt there will be new money coming from anywhere. Germany´s Schäuble already ruled out that Germany will increase it´s contributions. The receiving countries will have to tighten their belts. The numbers of nicely plastered pedestrian crossings to be built in Cypriot villages with 20 inhabitants with proud signs "funded by the EU" will go down.

Re... " The numbers of nicely plastered pedestrian crossings to be built in Cypriot villages with 20 inhabitants with proud signs "funded by the EU" will go down."
It would be interesting Jeba, to know just which villages you are referring to ??

trevnhil wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:14 am Re... " The numbers of nicely plastered pedestrian crossings to be built in Cypriot villages with 20 inhabitants with proud signs "funded by the EU" will go down."
It would be interesting Jeba, to know just which villages you are referring to ??

Unfortunately, I don´t remember the names. I saw them when I was driving from the mountains North of Limassol down to Limassol. It wasn´t only pedestrian crossing but also public buildings which showed those "sponsored by EU" signs.

Thanks for the added information. I have not seen anything like that in the local villages..

outasite wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:53 pm
So literally overnight, the UK will lose all trade with the EU countries. And Vice Versa. What a crock of twaddle. There will still be trade, both ways. It may be a little more expensive but I really cannot see any EU leader dictating to all those firms in the EU who trade with the UK that effective March 30th 2019 your company will no longer be allowed to export your goods to the UK or import anything from the UK. And certainly that dictat will not be handed down to UK firms by our government.
And do not forget on March 30th 2019 if all this twaddle was to come true, well there are 170+ countries outside the beloved EU that will trade with the UK. Japan for instance, so no worries about Mercedes stopping exports to the UK, we can buy the Lexus. Argentina, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, the USA so no worries about not being able to buy French wine. The continent of Africa, which provides a whole load of foodstuff to the UK already so no change there.
This article is typical scarespeak and should be taken with a pinch of (Norwegian) salt.

It is actually not a completely surreal concept that you outline above. Qatar lost all it's regional trading partners overnight some three weeks ago when fellow GCC Arab states decided to punish it's independent little, wealthy neighbour by closing its only land border and airspace.
Not quite the same but no one in their right mind would EVER have anticipated such an action from allegedly friendly gulf council country brothers. Sh*t happens. And it might well also happen one way or another to Britain I am afraid?

A.

Trev
If you go into Armou village centre there's a sign saying similar to what Jeba is quoting. The village centre refurbishment was paid in part by the EU.

Jim

Jim B wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:04 am Trev
If you go into Armou village centre there's a sign saying similar to what Jeba is quoting. The village centre refurbishment was paid in part by the EU.

Jim

Seen plenty of them indeed.
Also the underpasses on the highway in Limassol were partially funded by the EU.

A.

All this reminds me of back in 2000, when we were told planes would fall out of the sky, computers would crash and the World would end at the stroke of midnight .....back to Brexit...there was a vote, you remoaners lost...its called Democracy, google it, if you dont understand how it works.

Democracy also means people voted for. Conservative government to run, under Cameron, for 5 years.....

It also expected May, since she promised, to not call an election....

If democracy is about faithfully respecting a vote, why was their a Brezit vote at all? The UK voted to join the EU as was and all that entailed was accepted by subsequent parliaments in a democratic way....

So why break the will of the original people and democratic parliaments?

Because some changed their mind? Perhaps....

People voted for a trading block..not for a Unified Europe with Laws made in Brussels, over riding the UK parliament.....etc etc. The British people were scammed by what the Common market started off as, and what our European masters want it to become.