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Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:45 am
by WHL
jeba wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:36 am
The underlying problem is that "killing on demand" or at least assisted suicide is illegal in Cyprus. In other countries it's a human right. I personally know of 2 people who opted to leave Cyprus for that reason when they were terminally ill (my mother was one of them).
There are over 195 countries in the World, only 10 allow assisted suicide, so your wrong when you try and give the impression its a common thing outside of Cyprus
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:27 am
by Kili01
I agree with WHL about the Met Police what has appeared in the public domain is shocking.
It will take time to sort out. Fortunately, not all police there are corrupt, but the situation which has become public must feel intolerable to them. As well as to the public, many of whom must feel very wary about calling for their help.
Dee
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 2:43 pm
by Devil
Dee: this thread is about a specific case in Cyprus and has nothing to do with the Met police or the UK. I'm not saying that the Cypriot police are incorruptible and otherwise wonderful but the present situation in London, although intolerable, has nothing to do with the David Hunter case. Personally, I would have no qualms about calling the Cypriot police if necessary – in fact, in the 26 years I've been here, I've called them two times and in both cases they responded excellently.
In fact, the problem with the David Hunter case has nothing to do with the police but with the legal eagles.
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 3:13 pm
by Firefly
Memory Man
Where in the UK is it legal?
I appreciate that the link you provide, does specify England, is that what you are referring to perhaps?
If it is as you say, I wonder why people are prepared to spend a fortune, travelling abroad to end their life, if they can legally do it within the UK.
As for the Cypriot police, my husband and I had to call them on a couple of occasions, they were professional and helpful.
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:34 pm
by Kili01
In my limited experience of Cypriot police, never had a problem. It depends on how you treat them (they are humans beings too) . I am polite and courteous, and they are usually helpful and pleasant in return.
I would certainly not want to be on the wrong side of the law, which ever country I am in.
Dee
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 5:35 pm
by jagwheels
I also am not sure what MM had in mind with that statement but this situation happened in my life. My father & cousin were both diagnosed with terminal cancer. My wife who was a nurse tended them both. With my dad the doctor agreed for her to inject what I assume was morphine when she thought it necessary. In the case of my cousin she was initially treated my McMillan care with a needle inserted into her arm connected to what again I assume was morphine & the flow rate could be regulated. My wife was eventually given control. Perhaps this could not happen today but dread the thought she may have been accused of the crime of potential manslaughter. At least our animals are offered an option
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 6:18 pm
by WHL
jagwheels wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 5:35 pm
I also am not sure what MM had in mind with that statement but this situation happened in my life. My father & cousin were both diagnosed with terminal cancer. My wife who was a nurse tended them both. With my dad the doctor agreed for her to inject what I assume was morphine when she thought it necessary. In the case of my cousin she was initially treated my McMillan care with a needle inserted into her arm connected to what again I assume was morphine & the flow rate could be regulated. My wife was eventually given control. Perhaps this could not happen today but dread the thought she may have been accused of the crime of potential manslaughter. At least our animals are offered an option
My father suffering with terminal cancer , was in a hospice he had a little machine that gave him an automatic dose of morphine to try and control the pain , the care he got from those people was as if it was one of their own family members , we were all praying for him to slip away, but i for one could never ask for someone to speed the process up.for him to die.
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:07 pm
by jagwheels
In both cases there was no sign of suffering & it took many weeks for them to die but my comment clouded the point that MM raised
Q: "Not all of the UK is it illegal"
Regarding Mr Hunters protracted case I imagine the final verdict could influence future law in Cyprus
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:56 pm
by Dominic
I've moved this to Politics because it is getting heated.
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:36 am
by jeba
WHL wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:45 am
jeba wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:36 am
The underlying problem is that "killing on demand" or at least assisted suicide is illegal in Cyprus. In other countries it's a human right. I personally know of 2 people who opted to leave Cyprus for that reason when they were terminally ill (my mother was one of them).
There are over 195 countries in the World, only 10 allow assisted suicide, so your wrong when you try and give the impression its a common thing outside of Cyprus
Would you please point to where I gave the impression it was a common thing outside of Cyprus? I'm happy to say though it should be a common thing.
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:00 pm
by WHL
jeba wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:36 am
WHL wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:45 am
jeba wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:36 am
The underlying problem is that "killing on demand" or at least assisted suicide is illegal in Cyprus
. In other countries it's a human right. I personally know of 2 people who opted to leave Cyprus for that reason when they were terminally ill (my mother was one of them).
There are over 195 countries in the World, only 10 allow assisted suicide, so your wrong when you try and give the impression its a common thing outside of Cyprus
Would you please point to where I gave the impression it was a common thing outside of Cyprus? I'm happy to say though it should be a common thing.
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:08 pm
by Firefly
I suppose that those of us who have watched a loved one die, have differing views on this subject. Personally, I could not take the life of a loved one, or help with assisted suicide.
The case here seems to rest on whether or not the taking of a life was premeditated. In law, as far as I know, no matter what the reason for the taking of a life, if it is premeditated, it is murder. And If there is no evidence that the deceased person wished to die, who knows. I'm no lawyer, and I may well be wrong, but that's how it seems to be to me.
Assisted suicide, is a different matter altogether. The deceased person can leave evidence that they wished to die, and have requested help to do so, be that by the written word, or an oral recording, or to a third person as a witness.
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:38 pm
by jeba
WHL wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:00 pm
jeba wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 10:36 am
WHL wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:45 am
There are over 195 countries in the World, only 10 allow assisted suicide, so your wrong when you try and give the impression its a common thing outside of Cyprus
Would you please point to where I gave the impression it was a common thing outside of Cyprus? I'm happy to say though it should be a common thing.
Still can't see that I tried to give the impression it was a common thing. I merely pointed out that there are other countries which regard it a human right. That you read a "most" or "many" or whatever in into it is indicative of an overactive imagination.
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:37 pm
by memory man
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 4:33 pm
by galexinda
Tuesday 09 May
A final call by David Hunter’s defence team to have his wife’s killing tried as manslaughter as opposed to premeditated murder failed on Tuesday, after the judge said there was enough evidence to continue the case on the charge of premeditated murder.
https://cyprus-mail.com/2023/05/09/defe ... e-reduced/
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 5:28 pm
by memory man
Janice Hunter might not have had terminal illness, doctor tells court
https://in-cyprus.philenews.com/news/lo ... lls-court/
Re: David Hunter Court verdict
Posted: Wed May 10, 2023 7:22 pm
by Firefly
It appears that David Hunter made a conscious decision to kill his wife. The time and/or date of that action unknown. Indeed, after reading the article, it seems that even a diagnosis of some of her alleged medical conditions, are as yet unproved, and may remain so.
Time will tell.