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Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:47 am
by JimX
Not about saving money although I agree it will not save anyone money as charging them will be expensive, IF you can find a charge point. Only this week a TV show highlighted this in the UK, but for sure this is the future, glad I doubt if I will be involved.
Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:01 am
by 2QuarterPints
A new estate has just been built behind our house in Wakefield and about 50% of them have charging points. However, Wakefield, like numerous other places, has a lot of very old terraced houses with no parking spaces, in front or behind the houses, and limited on-street parking, so car owners just park where they can, often in what could be described as communal lay-bys, on verges and pavements etc, so how they could charge cars in the future should prove interesting. In the cul-de-sac in which we live, 8 houses have a total of 17 cars between them, with 9 of them jockeying for the limited on-street spaces available, so a similar charging problem to that already outlined.
Finally, we changed our car very recently and seriously considered getting an electric one. However, despite being able to make a much more expensive sale to us, the salesman warned us that they have very little resale value when it comes to part exchanging, plus the cost of replacing the batteries is horrendous.
Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:06 pm
by Jim B
I did ask at Toyota the cost of replacement battery pack and was told over €6000.
Also Cyprus and the UK run close to maximum output during the peak periods so they'll have to get building additional Power Stations, at the moment the UK is building them to just to replace the ones being decommissioned.
Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:58 pm
by Dominic
I don't think I've ever read an article saying you should switch to electricity to save money. That's a strawman argument.
WHL, a strawman argument is where you deny a claim that hasn't been made. Specifically, it is a misrepresentation of an opinion or viewpoint, designed to be as easy as possible to refute. Just as a person made of straw would be easier to fight with than a real human, a straw man argument is easy to knock to the ground.
Here is a simple example:
Making a decision is a popular time for straw man arguments to arise. For example, imagine a husband and a wife are trying to decide whether they should adopt a dog or a cat.
Wife: I'd rather have a dog than a cat.
Husband: Why do you hate cats?
_______
In the case of the electric car, the straw man is essentially this:
Buyer: I want an electric car because I am worried about global warming and want to be environmentally friendly.
Sceptic: Don't kid yourself: electric cars won't save you money
Now, there may well be valid arguments against electric cars. I don't know, but something like this might have some traction:
Sceptic: when you consider the energy required to create the battery and generate the electricity, are they really that green?
That certainly wouldn't be a straw man.
Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:52 am
by WHL
Dominic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:58 pm
I don't think I've ever read an article saying you should switch to electricity to save money. That's a strawman argument.
WHL, a strawman argument is where you deny a claim that hasn't been made. Specifically, it is a misrepresentation of an opinion or viewpoint, designed to be as easy as possible to refute. Just as a person made of straw would be easier to fight with than a real human, a straw man argument is easy to knock to the ground.
Here is a simple example:
Making a decision is a popular time for straw man arguments to arise. For example, imagine a husband and a wife are trying to decide whether they should adopt a dog or a cat.
Wife: I'd rather have a dog than a cat.
Husband: Why do you hate cats?
_______
In the case of the electric car, the straw man is essentially this:
Buyer: I want an electric car because I am worried about global warming and want to be environmentally friendly.
Sceptic: Don't kid yourself: electric cars won't save you money
Now, there may well be valid arguments against electric cars. I don't know, but something like this might have some traction:
Sceptic: when you consider the energy required to create the battery and generate the electricity, are they really that green?
That certainly wouldn't be a straw man.
Dominic, I dont think I commented on this thread
Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:14 am
by Dominic
You didn't, but when I post something like "it is a strawman argument" you normally ask what I mean. I just saved you the bother.
Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:16 am
by Dominic
Nobody is saying you were suggesting that.
Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:16 am
by Dominic
I have no idea why my text turned blue then.
Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:20 am
by WHL
Dominic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:14 am
You didn't, but when I post something like "it is a strawman argument" you normally ask what I mean. I just saved you the bother.
You would make a great Politician
Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:23 am
by The Aquila
Dominic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:16 am
I have no idea why my text turned blue then.
it seems to happen to all paphos based forum admins…..
Re: 50,000 ev charging points
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:27 am
by Dominic
The Aquila wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:23 am
Dominic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:16 am
I have no idea why my text turned blue then.
it seems to happen to all paphos based forum admins…..
That and hair loss.
