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From the Scunthorpe Telegraph....

Brexit poll: More than a quarter of remain voters in North Lincolnshire now want to leave the EU
By David Elliott | Posted: February 12, 2017


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A new survey suggests many voters in North Lincolnshire have changed their minds on whether or not they are in favour of Brexit since last year's referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union

MORE than a quarter of the people in North Lincolnshire who voted to remain in the European Union would now opt to leave, according to a new survey.

The figures come after MPs this week voted in favour of the so-called Brexit Bill, allowing the Government to move a step closer to triggering Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

This is expected to happen next month and would signal the start of formal negotiations for Britain to leave the EU.

In last June's referendum, 66.3 per cent of voters in North Lincolnshire cast their votes in favour of leaving the EU, with 33.7 per cent wanting to remain part of the union.

Overall, 51.9 per cent of people nationally voted to leave the EU, with 48.1 per cent voting to remain in it.

But new figures suggest many have changed their minds since then, with even more people in our area now wanting to leave.

The Google survey says of those who voted "out" in North Lincolnshire last year, 88 per cent of those who responded to the survey were still of the same opinion now, while 11.9 per cent would now opt to stay in.

But of those who voted "in", a huge 28.6 per cent would now vote "out", with 7.1 per cent saying they would not vote now.

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Prime Minister Theresa May has indicated she is willing for Britain to leave the EU's single market and freedom of movement agreements in a "hard Brexit" if a "fair deal" cannot be negotiated.

And after the majority of voters in Scotland signalled their wish to remain in the EU, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has campaigned to ensure the country can still have links with the EU.

Both of those issues were covered in the survey, which asked respondents if they were more confident about the future after Mrs May set out her plans for Brexit and whether they felt the UK could break up within a decade as a result of leaving the EU.

The full results for North Lincolnshire are below:

Have you changed your mind about your vote?
Out voters

Out still out: 88.1 per cent
Out now in: 11.9 per cent
Out now wouldn't vote: 0
In voters

In still in: 64.3 per cent
In now out: 28.6 per cent
In now wouldn't vote: 7.1 per cent
Are you more or less confident about the future after Prime Minister Theresa May's speech setting out Brexit plans?
More positive: 27.5 per cent
Same: 55.1 per cent
Less positive: 17.4 per cent
What is more important - border control or access to the single market?
Borders: 73.9 per cent
Market: 26.1 per cent
Do you expect the UK to break up within a decade as a result of Brexit?
Yes: 53.6 per cent
No: 46.4 per cent
Should there be a second referendum once the terms of the Brexit deal are known?
Yes: 30.4 per cent
No: 69.6 per cent
Which leaders have impressed you since the referendum?
Nigel Farage: 23.2 per cent
Theresa May: 21.7 per cent
Jeremy Corbyn: 7.2 per cent
Tim Farron: 3.0 per cent
Paul Nuttall: 2.9 per cent
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The North Lincolnshire respondents were among a total of 44,681 people questioned in the survey, with 82.3 per cent of those who voted "out" saying they had not changed their minds and 88.3 per cent of those who voted "in" sticking with their choice.

A total of 52.9 per cent said they were as confident about the future now, with 21.3 per cent more positive and 25.8 per cent less positive.

On the issue of borders or the single market being more important, 52.6 per cent favoured borders, while 54.7 per cent expected the UK to break up within a decade as a result of Brexit.

A second referendum once the terms of Brexit are known was wanted by 48.4 per cent of respondents nationally, while the Prime Minister was the politician to have impressed respondents most, with a score of 30.8 per cent.

However, 26.0 per cent of the people responding to the survey overall said none of the named leaders had impressed them.

Many thanks for that info Jimgward.
I suppose we should not be surprised but I am certainly very pleased and I think it probably represents a general trend across England.
Recent events showing us all the EU's true colours (e.g. over Gibralter) will be contributory factors.
Geoff.

The NUS also demand that Israel should not be traded with until it ceases to exist, that we should return to race segregated university campuses, and that a university building should be renamed from its original benefactors name as he earned his money on the back of slavery, despite the fact that when the act abolishing slavery in the UK and its colonies was passed, this malevolent slave trader was celebrating his 5th birthday.

When the NUS demand something I usually find it prudent to assume the logical course is the exact opposite

44000 people responded in the one survey in Lincolnshire as opposed to 2685 students ?!!! No further comment!!

Happy in Cyprus wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:57 am Meanwhile, students think differently:

Two-thirds of students want a second EU referendum
The Independent Tom Peck 2 April

Two thirds of students think there should be a second referendum on the terms of the Brexit deal, according to research by the National Union of Students (NUS).

The Liberal Democrats are campaigning for the terms of the UK’s departure from the European Union to be put to the people in the form of a second referendum, probably in two years time. The NUS asked 2,685 UK students, aged between 16 and 24, and 63 per cent of them agreed there should be a second referendum.

Young people voted by a large margin to remain in the European Union, but turn out was dwarfed by older people, whose “out” votes were decisive in last summer’s poll.

The NUS has also set out four priorities for students in the Government’s negotiations with the European Union, which began this week with the triggering of Article 50.

etc.

A small sample!
There are over 7 million people in UK between 16 and 24 years old.
Over 2 million of these are students.
I wonder how the others would vote?
Geoff.

And another view.....

What has been largely ignored are the 12.9 million who did not vote. Had the democratic process been that of Australia where voting is compulsory, the polls indicate the result would have been to Remain from day zero, and would still be Remain (see no2brexit.com and businessinsider.com). Of course, there is a criticism of the non-voter but, for various very good reasons, some were reported as simply not able to vote.

Unexpected administrative, personal or employment circumstances disabled some members of the electorate on the day from voting. One Financial Times study pointed out that most university students would generally be encouraged by their university to register to vote in their university town and they may not have realised early enough that they would have to apply for a postal vote given that term would be finished by June 23rd. The non-voters were largely younger voters and all the parties agree that the younger vote was (and still is) far more likely to vote Remain than Leave by a factor of nearly 3:1.

Since the initial shock, the gap in favour of Remain has decreased and, now, stabilised. Only two YouGov polls support a majority in favour of Leave was right, the other eleven polls have all indicated that the will of the UK is that it should remain in the EU. Such unpalatable poll results have been left unreported or occasionally inaccurately reported.

By the triggering of article 50 there will be approximately 563,000 new 18-year-old voters, with approximately a similar number of deaths, the vast majority (83 percent) amongst those over 65. Assuming those who voted stick with their decision and based on the age profile of the referendum result, that, alone, year on year adds more to the Remain majority. A Financial Times model indicated that simply based on that demographic profile, by 2021 the result would be reversed and that will be the case for the foreseeable future.

Finally, two groups, in particular, saw their exclusion from the electorate as undemocratic. According to NUS polls, 75 percent of the 16-18 age group felt they should have had a vote in the UK on Brexit (given its greater long-term implications than a general election vote). The 16-18 age group did have a vote in Scotland on independence and this referendum, many felt, was at least as important. Had the younger vote come out in force there is good evidence to suggest that the referendum result would have been different.

In the second group, members of the Commonwealth (and Eire) who were resident in the UK were able to vote but other members of the EU resident in the UK were not able to vote. All EU residents of Scotland were eligible to vote in the Scottish Referendum but not in the Brexit Referendum. Clearly, if democracy is regarded as allowing those most affected by a decision to have a say in that decision, then this has not happened. With 2.9 million EU residents in the UK, it is likely that the majority would have voted for Remain and that too is likely to have reversed the decision.

Well if university students did not realise early enough that they required a postal vote then it makes you wonder just how serious about voting they were. Come on these are supposed to be the brains of the future and they did not know how to vote!!
It is also my opinion that EU residents in the UK should not have been able to vote unless they had UK citizenship on such an important issue. Sorry Lynsab but it is all grasping at straws. Agree or disagree with the outcome it is was it is and nothing is going to change it.

What will you all argue about in a few years time when it is all over and done with? Tides?

Poppy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:22 am Well if university students did not realise early enough that they required a postal vote then it makes you wonder just how serious about voting they were. Come on these are supposed to be the brains of the future and they did not know how to vote!!
It is also my opinion that EU residents in the UK should not have been able to vote unless they had UK citizenship on such an important issue. Sorry Lynsab but it is all grasping at straws. Agree or disagree with the outcome it is was it is and nothing is going to change it.

Not forgetting of course to give due credit to whoever arranged the vote to have it scheduled on the exact day that the entire student body, most of the aging hippies, and the entire middle class population of North London under 50 were way too busy schlepping to get to Gladstonbury to find the time to actually vote.

Complete genius, they should give the guy a statue

Another Poll - this one across the Midlands with a decent sized poll.... Just shows that the country is as mixed up now as ever on this problem....
(albeit this was from December - so pre A50)

So, either May does more to reassure people on where it's all going .....

Why have Express & Star readers changed their minds on Brexit?
Why have Express & Star readers changed their minds?


Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/news/poli ... tfqSvbW.99



That is the question we are now asking after our latest survey on Brexit showed that 62 per of people taking part said they would back staying in the EU if there was a vote now.

It compares to 59 per cent of people in the West Midlands who voted to leave in June’s referendum. But it marks a giant shift from March when our pre-referendum poll revealed that 80 per cent of people intended to vote for leave and cited Boris Johnson as being the most influential figure.

This time round we asked readers how they would vote if the EU referendum was held now.



We also asked their opinions on whether they were happy with how the Brexit process was being handled by Theresa May’s government and whether they believed Britain will have left the EU by April 2017.

Mrs May intends to trigger Article 50 – the official mechanism of leaving the EU – at the end of March next year.

That will start a two-year period of negotiations meaning Britain should have left the union by April 1, 2019.

An incredible 9,948 people took part in our survey that ran from Monday until Wednesday.

Seventy-eight of the responses were via the post while the rest took part online at Expressandstar.com.



While there was a split on how people would vote in a referendum now – 62 per cent for remaining, 37 per cent for leaving, and one per cent who would not vote – there was widespread agreement that Brexit was not being handled well.

A staggering 86 per cent of people said they were not satisfied with the handling of Brexit with just 14 per cent saying they were happy with it.



UKIP MEP and Dudley councillor Bill Etheridge concurred he said: “One thing people on all sides of the debate can agree on is that this government is making a hash of Brexit.

“It has been absolutely useless. They are hesitant, and had no plan of what they are going to do.

“Mrs May and her government are making this country look weak.

“We wanted Article 50 triggered straight away but now I think the best thing to do would be to repeal the European Communities Act and get us out of the EU now.”

Mr Etheridge, now UKIP’s defence spokesman in leader Paul Nuttall’s new look top team, said he wasn’t surprised by the result in the E&S survey but said he didn’t think it reflected reality in the Black Country and Staffordshire.

He said: “Unfortunately I think Remain voters have taken advantage of the Express & Star’s really good idea and have abused it for their own means.

“I was born in this region, I live here, and speak to people every day. I can tell you that the belief in Brexit is stronger than ever but people want Theresa May and the Government to get on with it. People in the Black Country are tough and do not change their minds on a whim.

“Bitter people who voted Remain and cannot accept the result are clearly doing all they can to scupper Brexit.”


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Our referendum result special after David Cameron's resignation
Our original poll in March captured national attention and was backed by high ranking politicians from both sides of the debate, including now-Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, now-Transport Secretary Chris Grayling and Labour’s then-shadow Home Secretary Andy Burnham.

At the time it was the first newspaper survey to reveal that its region was planning of voting to leave the EU. And it was proved correct on a dramatic morning on June 24 as results dripped through in the early hours showing the region – and the country – had voted for Brexit.

Interestingly, 52 per cent of voters believe MPs should back the views of their constituents if another Commons vote is held on Brexit.

A majority of MPs in the Black Country and Staffordshire backed remaining in the EU with just three out of 19 known to have supported the vote to leave.

The region was one of the most fascinating to watch on vote night with views ranging from the veteran Eurosceptic Sir Bill Cash in Stone to passionate Remainers such as Pat McFadden and Emma Reynolds in Labour.

Mr Fadden and Ms Reynolds will play an important role holding the Government to account as we leave the EU, sitting on the Brexit select committee with Stafford MP Jeremy Lefroy.

Ms Reynolds, the Labour MP for Wolverhampton North East said: “There is a real risk that the Government’s mishandling of the negotiations will deliver a bad Brexit that damages the economy, leads to fewer jobs and hits people’s living standards. That is not what people voted for.

"The Government must get its act together and ensure that the promises made by the Leave campaign are kept.”

12.9 million did not vote. Well 12.9 million have absolutely no say in the result of negotiations. As that grand old Socialist Denis Healey once said...."Silly Billys".

My daughter and me never received our applied for postal votes even though we applied in good time and contacted West Lancashire District Council several times to chase them up. I can only surmise they were in one of the mail bags stolen around tha time by a Cypriot Postman. So I was one of the 12.9 million people who didn't vote though it wasn't for the want of trying.

Jim

Jim B

Why did you not do it on line? I did with the London Borough of Ealing with no problems at all. Form sent to me by email, completed and sent back having requested a proxy vote - my friend and former neighbour in Ealing was my proxy and she received a card entitling her to cast my vote. Alternatively you can nominate the Electoral Office of your local Council to cast your vote. All very easy and by passes the postal system. I have recently received notification from Ealing Council (Electoral Office) to renew my application for voting purposes - duly completed and acknowledged thus I still have the vote and hopefully the 15 year rule will be abolished for those who remain British Citizens wherever they may be living

Rita

Jim B

Why did you not do it on line? I did with the London Borough of Ealing with no problems at all. Form sent to me by email, completed and sent back having requested a proxy vote - my friend and former neighbour in Ealing was my proxy and she received a card entitling her to cast my vote. Alternatively you can nominate the Electoral Office of your local Council to cast your vote. All very easy and by passes the postal system. I have recently received notification from Ealing Council (Electoral Office) to renew my application for voting purposes - duly completed and acknowledged thus I still have the vote and hopefully the 15 year rule will be abolished for those who remain British Citizens wherever they may be living

Rita

Sorry duplicate post - finger slipped.

Rita

Hi Rita
We applied for postal votes and more or less just expecting them to be delivered and as I do alot of travelling days turn into weeks. As we got closer to the referendum day I asked the daughter to contact Ormskirk Council and they confirmed they had been sent out. We live at different addresses in Cyprus so believed they would eventually turn up. As we got closer to the day the daughter phoned up again and asked could we register on line and use a proxy as we still hadn't received our ballot papers but were told we were past the registration date. We still haven't received them.
Jim