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Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:42 pm
by merchant_banker
http://news.sky.com/story/electronic-de ... s-10809743

The ban is not expected to apply to pilots.

The move follows the United States which has imposed the restrictions on flights originating in Cairo, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Kuwait, Jordan, Morocco, Saud Arabia, Doha and Istanbul.

The exact details of the UK version are yet to be made public and they might not exactly mirror the US ban.

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights - more info

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:49 pm
by PhotoLady
Just updated on BBC News:
The UK has announced a cabin baggage ban on laptops on passenger flights from Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia.

The restrictions, which also apply to tablets, DVD players and phones over a certain size, follow a similar US ban affecting eight countries.

Downing Street said they followed talks on air security and were "necessary, effective and proportionate".
US officials said bombs could be hidden in a series of devices.

The six affected UK carriers are:
British Airways
EasyJet
Jet2.com
Monarch
Thomas Cook
Thomson

The eight overseas airlines subject to the ban are:
Turkish Airlines
Pegasus Airways
Atlas-Global Airlines
Middle East Airlines
Egyptair
Royal Jordanian,
Tunis Air
Saudia

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:44 pm
by PhotoLady
A bit more info on sizes of devices has now been added:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39343971

The ban applies to any device larger than 16cm long, 9.3cm wide or 1.5cm deep. It includes smart phones, but most fall inside these limits.
Any affected device will need to be placed into hold luggage and checked in before passengers go through airport security.
Number 10 said it was up to individual airlines to decide when to begin enforcing the ban and passengers should contact their airline for more information.

All very interesting and I wonder how it will affect travel insurance policies?

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:53 pm
by panoscouse
Hands up who's measuring their phones?

I had to. Just under at 15.5cm.

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:56 pm
by PhotoLady
Mine's safe too :-D

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:27 pm
by merchant_banker
Me

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:13 pm
by trevnhil
But who on here is flying to or from Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia

Trev.

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:38 pm
by PhotoLady
We would have flown to Egypt, Trev - on Egyptair from Larnaca. It would have been on the cards if we were still in Cyprus and we would still fly there now from UK. Also, Saudi is a big connecting hub for flights from Cyprus depending where folks are headed for....

Heaven help those folks travelling on low cost flights or those aircraft with no in-flight entertainment in the school holidays. I would be just packing a few razor blades.....

No eReaders, no Kindle, no game consoles, no DVDs

We've got a friend flying out to Egypt at the end of next month on Egyptair from London, direct to Luxor.
Six hours on a plane with no Kindle, oh man - no damn way!

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:02 pm
by trevnhil
People can use a paperback books... :) Remember them ? ;)

Trev..

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:52 pm
by Alewfin
This measure begs the question as to the effectiveness of scanners at boarding in identifying IEDs within electronic devices if they now have to be placed in the hold in a locked suitcase where presumably they are not scanned.

If an imbedded IED can blow a hole in the sides of plane in the passenger compartment then surely they can do the same in the hold. Perhaps someone with aviation experience can clarify.

Lost baggage is now going to be much more of a problem.

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:19 pm
by Lofos-Jan
I had exactly the same thought. I presume and would hope that if an incendiary device in a laptop was placed in the hold luggage, it would be detected. If not, I don't see why it couldn't be activated using a just slightly under 16 x 9.3 x 1.5 smartphone!

Jeanne

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:17 am
by PhotoLady
I shall just have to sync my Kindle with my phone. I haven't picked up a book since I got my Kindle about 6yrs ago. I also have music on it. I don't read newspapers as they only contain yesterdays news in any event. Plus all of those things take up too much space. I carry as little as possible onboard a flight. The security checks are bad enough as it is without having to mess about sifting through the carry-on baggage as well.

Makes you think they've had some Intel on this to implement the changes so fast in U.S. and if other countries will jump onboard with it too.

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:42 am
by Cogs123
British Scientists, ( with the help of E.U. Funding ) have developed ' Fly Bag ' technology, it lines the luggage holds in aircraft &
Is designed to withstand temperatures of up to 3,000 C, & a blast shockwave at a speed of 20,000mph as well as containing
shrapnel from the explosion.
All hold luggage is scanned, ( at UK airports ) I can only assume it is the same everywhere, though with all the extra gadgets that will be passing through, it is bound to be more difficult to spot an IED. :shock:
After the incident on the flight from Mogadishu to Djibouti, I can fully understand the precautions.

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:00 pm
by Alewfin
Cogs123 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:42 am British Scientists, ( with the help of E.U. Funding ) have developed ' Fly Bag ' technology, it lines the luggage holds in aircraft &
Is designed to withstand temperatures of up to 3,000 C, & a blast shockwave at a speed of 20,000mph as well as containing
shrapnel from the explosion.
All hold luggage is scanned, ( at UK airports ) I can only assume it is the same everywhere, though with all the extra gadgets that will be passing through, it is bound to be more difficult to spot an IED. :shock:
After the incident on the flight from Mogadishu to Djibouti, I can fully understand the precautions.
Thanks for the update. If all hold luggage is scanned it is reassuring but I haven't heard or read of any evidence that IEDs have ever been detected unless of course there hasn't been any IEDs or the scanning is ineffective to identify IEDs.

If the purpose is to safeguard passengers then surely all airlines from all destinations should be covered because a laptop could be taken into (say) the cabin of a Turkish airline direct from Turkey to Paris and then onto London.

Re: Electronic devices ban on some UK-bound flights

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:51 pm
by Cogs123
Yes it is reassuring Alewfin, it was disasters like Lockerbie that drove the need for this kind of invention, & thankfully there are very clever individuals out there that managed to do so. 😊